They always say that the proof of god s' existence is seen in the spirit that manifests itself in the church. I say: exactly my point! I rest my case.
aha69
· 2 years ago
"Sins" or "sins that may be illegal" are what the rest of us call "Crimes."
Grandpa Harley
· 2 years ago
I like the fact the article mitigates their 'sin' by assigning blame to porno...
trancelation
· 2 years ago
First of all, why is it that pastors escape the blame in this article? The writer said that pastors may be guilty of sexual transgressions themselves - but not sexual transgressions against children. This is the problem with Christians; some things must not be questioned. To question means there is not faith. And Christians are too deeply controlled by their cattle drivers to question.
Too little too late, Conservative Voice. The root of religious problems is RELIGION. Get with it.
Anonymous
· 2 years ago
I find it interesting that the writer of this article claims many things as facts yet only provides 4 factual situations. The rest of the article is filled with unsubstantiated claims and wide sweeping generalizations. I've been around church my entire life and was the 5th generation in a row to hold ministerial credentials and I have never seen any sexual sin go unpunished in the courts and or in the church. I have seen several instances first hand and have seen and felt the crushing effects of this behavior but have never seen it brushed under the carpet. Yes we live in a sinful world in which humans are capable of unimaginable evil and there are times when someone may be running from those temptations and think if they just immerse themselves in Christian "work" that they can escape the thoughts and unfortunately that is not the case. Anyone found to have inflicted this kind of pain on any aged person should and must be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and if no laws were broken in the misconduct the church should and does enforce the individual church bi-laws that are applicable. And as stated earlier that has been my experience in these matters along with the situations my farther and his farther can recall.
Aspentroll
· 2 years ago
Anonymous said...
"I find it interesting that the writer of this article claims many things as facts yet only provides 4 factual situations. The rest of the article is filled with unsubstantiated claims and wide sweeping generalizations".
Maybe you have only trolled into this site just recently. There are thousands and thousands of news articles over the years that indicate exactly what this person has posted. Maybe you should research just how many pastors, priests and youth ministers have been charged and in jail for sexually exploiting the children of their churches. In any case you fundies seem to reap what you sow.
Lorena
· 2 years ago
I think that pastors who fail to report a sex offender should be made accountable. Too much goes on behind close doors in churches.
If mental health practitioners are required to report criminal behaviour, so should pastors. And they should serve time if they don't.
Anonymous
· 2 years ago
Christians are good people but they never claimed to be sin free. Anyways, it's not for man to judge. And honestly if we look to God and the bible we don't see anything that prohibits whether or not a priest may lay down with young men. The Church has prohibited the priest from marrying so his life and the rules that govern it are different from the regular person who may marry. But as long as his love is pure it is not a sin. It is only a crime by man's law. Whatever suffering we may edure in this world is nothing in the eyes of eternity and what is in store for us in heaven is eternal bliss.
Anonymous
· 2 years ago
Anonymous wrote: "And honestly if we look to God and the bible we don't see anything that prohibits whether or not a priest may lay down with young men."
What are you smoking??
Doesn't that Leviticus book call exactly that an abomination?? Add in the exploitation of a minor, what would be termed statutory rape if the conduct was between a male and female, and you get a crime against religion and society. I had to laugh about your comment about his love being pure. Priests take a vow of celibacy, I presume that means from all forms of sexual behavior, just so that their love for their flock will be "pure."
lex
· 2 years ago
Anon said "Christians are good people but they never claimed to be sin free. Anyways, it's not for man to judge. And honestly if we look to God and the bible we don't see anything that prohibits whether or not a priest may lay down with young men." really, Check out leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 I think that makes it relativly clear what christians (and Jews) think of laying with someone of the same sex, unless of course priest are considered sexless. Maybe you should try to read a little more. As for priests haveing a different set of guidelines to live by... that's true, as far as catholic godma says more stringent than the everyday catholic. So with all due disrespect go take a leek in the wind
Anonymous
· 2 years ago
"Christians are good people"
That statement is so sweeping, it is clearly and undeniably false.
"Anyways, it's not for man to judge."
Open all prisons! let all criminals walk free!
"Whatever suffering we may edure in this world is nothing in the eyes of eternity and what is in store for us in heaven is eternal bliss."
Let me get this straight. You actually support childfucking, assuming the "love is pure"? WTF? This is XCN, not 7Chan!
"Yes! You, too, can have sex with children, and still go to Heaven with new, amazing CHRISTIANITY (tm)!"
I am not one of his followers, but I still think Jesus would bitchslap you. Hell, I'd hold your arms back for him.
-Leonard
Ryan Scott
· 2 years ago
what the hell is up with implying porn (which by the way is legal) causes child molestation? does that mean when i see my wife naked, i will lust after children?
give me a break, that argument is absurd!
Dylan
· 2 years ago
A good article, except for his need to blame porn for pedophilia...
I've seen lots of porn, but I've never molested children...or an adult for that matter.
Huey
· 2 years ago
"I find it interesting that the writer of this article claims many things as facts yet only provides 4 factual situations. The rest of the article is filled with unsubstantiated claims and wide sweeping generalizations."
Typical. If you don't provide a xtian with a response worthy of the Encyclopedia Britannica, then oh well, you're wrong. And of course this individual thinks that his life experience is the only one that matters. Forget the THOUSANDS of cases that have been documented and the hundreds that are coming to light every year, he hasn't personally seen them, therefore they do not exist. They are just figments of the secular imagination.
How many examples is the author supposed to provide before his/her assertions become valid in your eyes? Come on, give us a number! 10? 20? 100?
And such behavior never goes unpunished in the church?! Who the god damn hell does your church think they are that they can take such matters into their own hands? And are you aware of every incident that ever took place on your watch? Not bloody likely! In addition I seriously fucking doubt that your grandfather had to deal with such horrendousness. In his day, such things were NEVER brought to light. They were all brushed under the rug with the victim, no matter how young, told to “get over it”. (Child psychologists specializing in child abuse just did not exist back then and parents were generally too embarrassed to deal with it on their own.) It most certainly was not the acceptable topic for discussion in “his day”. In the rare event police did make an arrest, nobody in the world would have ever heard about it because the censors of the day would have forbidden it. There would have been NO news report of a pastor or youth minister being arrested for pedophilia.
Why don’t you go back to stuffing your fingers in your ears and singing “la-la-la-la”? We don’t need your ignorant bullshit attempt to downplay what is a MAJOR FUCKING EPIDEMIC that has been going for who knows how long.
Student
· 2 years ago
Dear ...
You said: "I've been around church my entire life and was the 5th generation in a row to hold ministerial credentials and I have never seen any sexual sin go unpunished in the courts and or in the church."
Naturally. What about the sexual sin's you did not know about?
Sincerely, Keith
heretic
· 2 years ago
"The Church has prohibited the priest from marrying so his life and the rules that govern it are different from the regular person who may marry. But as long as his love is pure it is not a sin. It is only a crime by man's law."(Anonymous) Homosexuality is forbidden; its punishment is to be "cut off" or killed (Lev 18:22, 20:13, Deut 23:17, 1 Cor 6:9). Permitting homosexuality is a worse sin than permitting rape of a woman (Gen 19:1-8, Judg 19:22-29). "Effeminate" men cannot be saved (1 Cor 6:9). David loved Jonathan: "very pleasant hast thou been unto me; thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women" (2 Sam 1:26, 1 Sam 20:3, 11, 17, 23, 26, 30, 41-42). Jonathan gives David all his clothes (1 Sam 18:1-4).
The bible forbids and condones homosexuality.No wonder you're so confused. The reality is that if it is practiced between two consenting adults there are no laws against it. But using little children for his sick gratifiction is plain evil man!
Anonymous
· 2 years ago
heretic wrote: Permitting homosexuality is a worse sin than permitting rape of a woman (Gen 19:1-8, Judg 19:22-29). "Effeminate" men cannot be saved (1 Cor 6:9). David loved Jonathan: "very pleasant hast thou been unto me; thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women" (2 Sam 1:26, 1 Sam 20:3, 11, 17, 23, 26, 30, 41-42). Jonathan gives David all his clothes (1 Sam 18:1-4).
I absolutely agree. Homosexuality is disgusting and an obomination to man. But what I'm saying is, a priest is NOT the common man. He has different rules. He may not marry a woman. Biologically, he is still a man and has physical needs. The rules are different with regards to relationships that might be formed with young men. Now of course, the priest should never ever ever force any type of action but that's not what's happening in most cases I'm sure. If the act is consensual and the priest is just expressing God's love then it is no crime in God's eyes. It might be worth stating that in ancient Greek times men would bond with young men to show them the ways of life. But since they were not priest it would be an abomination in God's eyes.
Rick
· 2 years ago
Stinky Troll said : I absolutely agree. Homosexuality is disgusting and an obomination to man.
I smell a troll. A quite pungent one no less.
heretic
· 2 years ago
Anonymous: "I absolutely agree. Homosexuality is disgusting and an obomination to man."
Please don't agree with what I didn't say.If you read my comment properly you will see that I have nothing against homosexuality.The abonination is a priest using children for his sick perverted entertainment.The scriptures were to show you how idiotic your bible is.You're still confused. Try reading properly.
Anonymous
· 2 years ago
If you rid the church of child molesting priests and homosexuals, you no longer have a priesthood! The Catholic churches and schools around here are closing like crazy since the sex abuse scandal hit.
All Comments
Too little too late, Conservative Voice. The root of religious problems is RELIGION. Get with it.
"I find it interesting that the writer of this article claims many things as facts yet only provides 4 factual situations. The rest of the article is filled with unsubstantiated claims and wide sweeping generalizations".
Maybe you have only trolled into this site just recently.
There are thousands and thousands of news articles over the years that indicate exactly what this person has posted. Maybe you should research just how many pastors, priests and youth ministers have been charged and in jail for sexually exploiting the children of their churches.
In any case you fundies seem to reap what you sow.
If mental health practitioners are required to report criminal behaviour, so should pastors. And they should serve time if they don't.
"And honestly if we look to God and the bible we don't see anything that prohibits whether or not a priest may lay down with young men."
What are you smoking??
Doesn't that Leviticus book call exactly that an abomination?? Add in the exploitation of a minor, what would be termed statutory rape if the conduct was between a male and female, and you get a crime against religion and society. I had to laugh about your comment about his love being pure. Priests take a vow of celibacy, I presume that means from all forms of sexual behavior, just so that their love for their flock will be "pure."
That statement is so sweeping, it is clearly and undeniably false.
"Anyways, it's not for man to judge."
Open all prisons! let all criminals walk free!
"Whatever suffering we may edure in this world is nothing in the eyes of eternity and what is in store for us in heaven is eternal bliss."
Let me get this straight. You actually support childfucking, assuming the "love is pure"?
WTF? This is XCN, not 7Chan!
"Yes! You, too, can have sex with children, and still go to Heaven with new, amazing CHRISTIANITY (tm)!"
I am not one of his followers, but I still think Jesus would bitchslap you. Hell, I'd hold your arms back for him.
-Leonard
give me a break, that argument is absurd!
I've seen lots of porn, but I've never molested children...or an adult for that matter.
Typical. If you don't provide a xtian with a response worthy of the Encyclopedia Britannica, then oh well, you're wrong. And of course this individual thinks that his life experience is the only one that matters. Forget the THOUSANDS of cases that have been documented and the hundreds that are coming to light every year, he hasn't personally seen them, therefore they do not exist. They are just figments of the secular imagination.
How many examples is the author supposed to provide before his/her assertions become valid in your eyes? Come on, give us a number! 10? 20? 100?
And such behavior never goes unpunished in the church?! Who the god damn hell does your church think they are that they can take such matters into their own hands? And are you aware of every incident that ever took place on your watch? Not bloody likely! In addition I seriously fucking doubt that your grandfather had to deal with such horrendousness. In his day, such things were NEVER brought to light. They were all brushed under the rug with the victim, no matter how young, told to “get over it”. (Child psychologists specializing in child abuse just did not exist back then and parents were generally too embarrassed to deal with it on their own.) It most certainly was not the acceptable topic for discussion in “his day”. In the rare event police did make an arrest, nobody in the world would have ever heard about it because the censors of the day would have forbidden it. There would have been NO news report of a pastor or youth minister being arrested for pedophilia.
Why don’t you go back to stuffing your fingers in your ears and singing “la-la-la-la”? We don’t need your ignorant bullshit attempt to downplay what is a MAJOR FUCKING EPIDEMIC that has been going for who knows how long.
You said: "I've been around church my entire life and was the 5th generation in a row to hold ministerial credentials and I have never seen any sexual sin go unpunished in the courts and or in the church."
Naturally. What about the sexual sin's you did not know about?
Sincerely,
Keith
Homosexuality is forbidden; its punishment is to be "cut
off" or killed (Lev 18:22, 20:13, Deut 23:17, 1 Cor 6:9).
Permitting homosexuality is a worse sin than permitting rape of a
woman (Gen 19:1-8, Judg 19:22-29).
"Effeminate" men cannot be saved (1 Cor 6:9).
David loved Jonathan: "very pleasant hast thou been unto me; thy
love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women" (2 Sam
1:26, 1 Sam 20:3, 11, 17, 23, 26, 30, 41-42). Jonathan
gives David all his clothes (1 Sam 18:1-4).
The bible forbids and condones homosexuality.No wonder you're so confused.
The reality is that if it is practiced between two consenting adults there are no laws against it. But using little children for his sick gratifiction is plain evil man!
woman (Gen 19:1-8, Judg 19:22-29).
"Effeminate" men cannot be saved (1 Cor 6:9).
David loved Jonathan: "very pleasant hast thou been unto me; thy
love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women" (2 Sam
1:26, 1 Sam 20:3, 11, 17, 23, 26, 30, 41-42). Jonathan
gives David all his clothes (1 Sam 18:1-4).
I absolutely agree. Homosexuality is disgusting and an obomination to man. But what I'm saying is, a priest is NOT the common man. He has different rules. He may not marry a woman. Biologically, he is still a man and has physical needs. The rules are different with regards to relationships that might be formed with young men. Now of course, the priest should never ever ever force any type of action but that's not what's happening in most cases I'm sure. If the act is consensual and the priest is just expressing God's love then it is no crime in God's eyes. It might be worth stating that in ancient Greek times men would bond with young men to show them the ways of life. But since they were not priest it would be an abomination in God's eyes.
I smell a troll. A quite pungent one no less.
Please don't agree with what I didn't say.If you read my comment properly you will see that I have nothing against homosexuality.The abonination is a priest using children for his sick perverted entertainment.The scriptures were to show you how idiotic your bible is.You're still confused. Try reading properly.
Now that can only be good.
Yeah, tell that to anyone who is gay or Trans.
Fucking hypocrites!