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stronger now — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:43:00 -0000

GAB:"Why do you "ex christians" lash out at "current christians" like we are in some modern day twisted crusade?"

This could be viewed as a twisted crusade by some.

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stronger now — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:44:00 -0000

GAB:"Why do you "ex christians" lash out at "current christians" like we are in some modern day twisted crusade?"

Oh, I dunno...maybe it's because you current christians seem to be in a modern day twisted crusade.

"If you reject it then thats your personal choice. I choose to believe in God. Thats my personal choice."

True. But it is our personal choice to point out the failings of the christians and the christian faith. It is your personal choice to stick your head in the sand and your fingers in your ears and pretend that everything is gonna be fine, eventually, and it won't require any action on your part to make it so.

"In my opinion, God will judge him."(bold added)

In my opinion, you have no right to expect us to believe that bit of nonsense. It is an excuse used by "noodle armed choir boys" to not have to really do anything you don't feel like doing. It's a copout, plain and simple and deserves no respect by anyone.

Read the site disclaimer and a few of the testimonials and you may get an understanding of where we are coming from and what this sight is for. (Hint: It isn't a place for you to be spouting your opinions on anything that we choose to do.)

Get lost.

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GAB — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 06:35:00 -0000

Why do you "ex christians" lash out at "current christians" like we are in some modern day twisted crusade? Obviously you "ex christians" have heard the word of God. If you reject it then thats your personal choice. I choose to believe in God. Thats my personal choice. What Bert Thompson did is without a doubt a huge black eye for the Church of Christ. In my opinion, God will judge him. I personally am not. AB

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Dave8 — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:34:00 -0000

Anony: "To Dave8. The church did not fire Dr. Thompson, the press did."

The "body" of the church, is made up of two people who believe and come together in Christ. Bottom line, his profession was a religious venture, "solely" built on soliciting the "lord's" message.

Some people build cathedrals... others, build printing presses. He was the commercial preacher, his pulpit was the modern printing press, to push his religious belief, and it was "all" organized around the message of the "lord".

Whenever, a group of people come together, to spread the message of the lord, it's a church - if you need the bible verse, I'll pull it up for you.

Federal employees can't openly present their religious views at work - as it brings together "church" and "state".

Yes, his pulpit was snatched away from him - it doesn't matter how you package it, and what words were scrawled on the sign outside of the building that housed his pulpit.

Like all preachers, he thought he was speaking on behalf of the Christian "lord", waging war against the "evil atheist" regime.

Anony: "We are commanded to forgive."

You are commanded by the bible to forgive Christians... but, you are also commanded to kill non-believers, do you hold both passages equally true?

Anony: "If my kid's babysitter molested them I would be expected by God to forgive, but that doesn't mean I'm going to ask that person to babysit again."

The obvious, or not so obvious problem there anony, is that by you waiting for "God" to sort it all out, while you protect "your" child... you are aiding a predator, by not exposing them to the law.

If you want to see how to "hide a predator", I urge you to consider the fine works of the Catholic Church.

Anony: "At no time did I read that the church removed him. It never says that the church punished him."

Preaching/communicating the "word", on behalf of the lord, using the bible... and a printing press - is a religious organization, and the building they sat in was a "church", which was how "I", and every Christian I know have been taught what a "Church" is... unless, you are going to tell me that a church is not the building where two people come together in the service of the lord.

Anony: "The facts are there please don't add to them, it makes you look stupid."

Ah, instead of focusing on the tragedy of "this Christian" leader, and the removal of him from his pulpit, you want to focus on me. Perhaps, you should ponder a little longer, on what religion, church, predator, and your moral obligation to society is, and then come back to make a more salient argument.

Anony: "Also to the other person talking about being a part of the club. Yes if you are a part of the "club" you will be forgiven, and if you are not you will not."

So, if you're in the in-club, you are also part of the child-rape forgiveness club - how convenient.

Anony: "Is that so difficult? You people are not ex-Christians, you never were in the first place."

Of course, you are talking about people you don't know the hearts of, unless you are a God - per your belief system, right.

Anony: "God looks at the hearts of men and if He sees Christ's blood covering them they are saved, if He sees their sins they are not. (period)"

Well, that settles it, you're God, and your statement that none of us were ever a True Christian, therefore, must be true... because if you aren't God... You're statement, is... a lie, and nothing but propaganda.

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.:webmaster:. — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:44:00 -0000

Anonymous,

Don't post as anonymous -- type in a pseudonym. Posting as "anonymous" makes you look stupid.

Funny. You can masturbate a kid, or fuck him up the ass, or ejaculate into his mouth, or even murder him, and you are forgiven by god and other Christians, because... because you're part of the blood club.

But we former Christians who have recaptured our minds and realize how ridiculously ignorant that type of thinking is, will be condemned to hell for... well, for thinking.

Anonymous, the only measure of a Christian is that he or she says he or she is a Christian. It doesn't matter what lifestyle a person leads, all that matters is that the person claims to have the imaginary magical blood covering their actions.

What a scam.

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Anonymous — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:43:00 -0000

To Dave8. The church did not fire Dr. Thompson, the press did. We are commanded to forgive. If my kid's babysitter molested them I would be expected by God to forgive, but that doesn't mean I'm going to ask that person to babysit again. At no time did I read that the church removed him. It never says that the church punished him. The facts are there please don't add to them, it makes you look stupid. Also to the other person talking about being a part of the club. Yes if you are a part of the "club" you will be forgiven, and if you are not you will not. Is that so difficult? You people are not ex-Christians, you never were in the first place. God looks at the hearts of men and if He sees Christ's blood covering them they are saved, if He sees their sins they are not. (period)

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SteveG — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:47:00 -0000

"Bert was always a kind, gentle man..." No, he wasn't. Bert was a man on a religious mission, extremely antagnostic toward any and all who would dare to disagree with his young earth creationism dogma. His attack on a couple of professors at Abilene Christian University merely for bringing up the subject of evolution in a college biology class is a perfect example of his attitude. Saying he was a kind and gentle man if he liked you is not telling the whole story.

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deafguy@insightbb.com — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:33:00 -0000

I have know Bert Thompson since 1981. Bert was always a kind, gentle man, and as a brother in Christ, I loved him. this is the first that I have heard of this. Although it shocks me, my feelings for Bert HAVE NOT CHANGED. He has confessed his sins and been forgiven by God. If christians decline to forgive Dr. Bert, then they need to re read passage of the Bible on forgiveness, then apply them.

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.:webmaster:. — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:53:00 -0000

I would rather retain my ability for rational thought. Good luck with your haughty, arrogant, self-congratulatory fantasturbation.

And on a personal note, I always thought Ernie was a hoot. Bert, I never liked so much.

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Jerry D. McDonald — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:23:00 -0000

I would rather be the servant of the most High. At least that way I will hear "Well done, thou good and faithful servant." All you are going to hear is "Thou wicked and slothful servant."

In Christ's Service
Jerry D. McDonald

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.:webmaster:. — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:01:00 -0000

If thou shalt curse thine fellow human being and write "Thou Moron" because thine fellow human being thinks thy religion is a joke, thou shalt be able to call thyself "Servant of the Highest" but in so doing thou shalt be in danger of losing all ability for rational thought.

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Jerry D. McDonald — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:30:00 -0000

Joe, do you believe in the death penalty for confessed, convicted murderers?

Joe, do you believe in abortion?

In Christ's service
Jerry D. McDonald

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Jerry D. McDonald — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:26:00 -0000

For those of you, who continue to hate Bert, and yes I am talkin to you moron atheists, ex church of Christ members, you are the biggest hypocrites around. How many of you say that homosexuality is wrong? No, all of you say that there is nothing wrong with it. How many of you would say that pedophilia is wrong. On the errancy list, there were those who even said that these people couldn't help themselves, it was thein their genetic makeup. I asked one atheist if she thought that it would be wrong for a pedophile to lust after her three year old granddaughter as long as he didn't touch her. After spending a lot of time doging the question she finally admitted that such would be all right. I read an article a year ago by a pedophile who was stating that pedophiles were going to get the same equal rights that homosexuals have today, and they were going to use the same tactics that the homosexuals used. You know, at one time, homosexuality was a crime in the state of Missouri and many other states as well. O, yes, it was a class A misdameanor. However, now since the ACLU has interviened that law has been removed from the books. I wonder just how long pedophilia will remain unlawful? I wonder just how long it will be before the ACLU interviens on behalf of the pedophilies? I wonder, if it ever becomes legal just how many of you moron atheists are going to embrace it. I hope I am still alive when that happens so I can bring to your remembrance of the comments you have made against a man who has repented for his sins. He ought to be hung??? Boy aren't you atheists loving people?

In Christ Service (by the way, moron, that means that I am in his service. I think I have dealt with you before. Come on out coward and tell me who you are),
Jerry D. McDonald

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Joe — Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:22:00 -0000

I've had many written debates with Mr. Thompson over the past years and it doesn't surprise me of his misdeeds, just like it doesn't surprise me that many CoC preachers consume alcohol. It also doesn't surprise me that several CoC preachers have become atheists after a serious study of the bible.

Those in the CoC have ego problems when it comes to them being the only ones right about anything. Don't believe me, just ask a member.

Mr. Thompson should be hung for what he did. As I've asked numerous times in the past to prove the existence of an afterlife, there's no such place where he's going to be punished. He needs to be punished now while he's living.

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eel_shepherd — Thu, 06 Sep 2007 06:50:00 -0000

Andy wrote:
"...I encourage all Christians to pray for Mr. Thompson that he will have victory over this sin. There is always hope if we turn to God..."

Yeah okay, Andy, whatever.

Man, I'd love to be a fly on the wall for some of the conversations between these pervo-mechanisms and their wives after they get caught but before the shit hammer comes down on them. Xtian wives want security, and their guy has just blown it for them. I'm guessing he was picking up a pretty fair paycheque from his branch office of the Christianity industry, and now he's out. Worse --- she's out. Little foretaste of hell for ol' Bert, living with Mrs. Bert from now on.

Hey, Up 'N' Coming Lawyer, how did you make it through your LSATs? Because, y'know, you can't think.

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redtail — Wed, 05 Sep 2007 01:19:00 -0000

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Dave8 — Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:04:00 -0000

UCL: "this wasn't a church that he was removed from and we aren't saying his sin was worse. It made it look bad in the church so he was removed from a job...not the church!!!!

The Christian Chronicle: "“We don't know if he just molested church of Christ kids,” he said. “This guy was all over the country.”

It appears he was removed from his job, because allegedly his hands were reportedly on the genitalia of believers/Christian little boys... would you like to elaborate, Mr. up and coming lawyer...

In corporate, it's called damage control when people are removed from their position amidst controversy that would hurt an organization's image...

Now, what I can't understand... and really, I'm trying, if you can assist me... is that Bert had charges brought against him... and not be an unbeliever. And, you seem to know you bible quite well, I mean, you did quote on not throwing the first stone, right.

I suppose what I'm confused on, is that in the bible the following suggests that a believer should not take legal matters against another believer, no matter what the case would be - even child molestation... here, tell me what you think...

1 Corinthians:

6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?

6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

6:6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.

6:7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?

And, thus, it seems that ye should rather suffer, and take wrong, for all of the righteous reasons...

Does it not also say:

Luke 6:29: "And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also."

Suffering seems to be quite well covered, why would a true believing Christian "ever" turn another believer in Christ into the custody of legal authorities?

I mean, the bible seems to say, you don't take matters before unbelievers, and you accept the suffering from believing brethren... in the case of Bert, it appears, what the believing little boys should have done, was to continue to turn their cheeks... perhaps, a bad choice of words.

UCL, I'll await your reply, I am interested in knowing what the believers of the Church of Christ think about the bible, and how Bert, an obvious believer, was caught with his pants down at the hands of the lord’s sheep. Cast not the first stone? Do tell, who cast the first stone, there UCL...

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Dave8 — Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:11:00 -0000

That was priceless BoomSLANG :-)

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boomSLANG — Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:16:00 -0000

"Up coming lawyer": Oh and "Boomslang"
watch [your] mouth...people don't need to read about how unintellegent you are.

Oh?..I'm "unitellegent", am I? lol. I'm curious about something---as an up and coming lawyer, hoo will be ur targit clientel?

UCL Anything you said was negated when you cussed..

Jesus exists, god damn it!!!! There. Officially negated.

UCL: "you without sin, cast the first stone"
Jesus said that.

"Where are you going, you little pig?
'I'm going to the ball to dance a fine jig!'
A jig, little pig!
A pig dance a jig!
Well, I never before saw a pig dance a jig!"

A wise little pig said that.

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Upcoming lawyer — Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:55:00 -0000

Onanite...

those of you without sin can cast the first stone...

This man made a mistake, but how dare you condemn him. He messed up, but don't we all...and don't you dare attack the church. This is a personal sin, but I am sure that you are perfect in all of your ways...right? (snicker) That's what you did right...

And to Mr. Dave8

this wasn't a church that he was removed from and we aren't saying his sin was worse. It made it look bad in the church so he was removed from a job...not the church!!!!

I have never understood how someone can condemn the church of christ when they don't even know what we stand for. We get the everyone thinks that we are horrible for not participating in isuch actions, but you don't see us going around writing articles about you...and about your indescretions, every "chruch" has its problems and the church of christ is no exception. I just love how people say that it's worse because its a member of the Church...you people really kill me....but I guess that's what happens when you have uninformed people commenting on things that they know nothing of. That's something I am going to change.

Check your facts before you mouth off next time.

Oh and "Boomslang"
watch you mouth...people don't need to read about how unintellegent you are. Anything you said was negated when you cussed...so it really did you no good to post that comment!
"you without sin, cast the first stone"
Jesus said that.

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AtheistToothFairy — Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:36:00 -0000

Jerry D. McDonald said...
"Since Bert has repented, and since his wife has forgiven him, and since God has forgiven him, what right do any of us have to hold this against him.......I forgive you as God has forgiven you."
----
Jerry,

You do realize that you are posting on a Ex-Christian website, right Jerry?

Surely you don't expect the members here to forgive Bert, just because his wife eventually forgave him (or so she might lead the public to believe) ?

Who is she to any of us Jerry?

Naturally, you claim YOUR god "forgave him", after he "repented'" his sins to this god.
I'm sure your god forgiving him would have 'plenty' of leverage to us Ex-Christains here, in persuading us to also forgive his sins.

ARE YOU KIDDING US JERRY !!!

I'm willing to go out on a limb and say, that the way most of us here would react to your view, goes something like this:

1. Your buddy Bert is most likely only sorry that he got caught red-handed, not for the crime he committed.

2. This was not a one-time instance, as the chronicle reports, so you can't claim he made just one 'mistake'. It sure wasn't a matter of him losing-his-head while drunk one evening etc..

3. What weight does his wife forgiving him, offer to us or the public? If there was a chance of anyone forgiving him, wouldn't it be his own wife. This is just about as persuasive to us as saying his mother forgave him.

4. Now Jerry, realize that you have an audience of Ex-Christians here that no longer believe in your invisible bible god. It's very simple Jerry, he doesn't exists to us, so what possible influence do you think your claim that your bible god "forgave him", would have for us?
He might as well have asked the planet Uranus to forgive his sins. It means the same thing
to us Jerry!!

Now I do not know where this case has gone since this report of June 21st 2005, but why does your pleading on this site give me a hunch that you are trying to drum up public support for this 'sinner' buddy of yours, hmmm?

Trust me Jerry, you won't find much sympathy for your friend Bert here. If you had taken the time to read through the comments here about the many other 'sinful' leaders of your realm who made the crime news, you would have realized your pleadings to us will get you no where.

Now Jerry, about your signature here....."In Christ's Service"
I take this to mean that you work directly for this Christ of yours?

Does he pay you with 'in god we trust' CASH each week for your services to him?
Is this cash brought to you directly from heaven, via some winged angel, which would be evidence that you really do work for this heavenly Christ?
Does Jesus keep a 10% tithe for himself, from your weekly pay?

Did you perhaps take up a collection and give it to god to inspire him to forgive your friend Bert?
Did he give you a receipt for; forgiveness-services-rendered?
(I wonder if it's tax-deductible)

Jerry, if your god is so powerful and is indeed real, why didn't he work a miracle and save your friend from our human justice system and the public outcry, the very second your friend was forgiven by your god.
Could it be there is no god to forgive your buddy, no god to save him from the law or the public eye.

We already established on this site that god doesn't heal his own leaders, so what makes you think he would protect his sinning leaders like Bert, from the wrath of our legal system.

Instead of trying to drum up support on this site, why not just get down on your god-fearing knees and beg your god to save your friend instead. I'm sure he'll oblige you.....or maybe not.

AtheistToothFairy

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Ronald McDonald — Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:56:00 -0000

Jerry D. McDonald: "We still need your knowledge in the fight against Atheism."

Jerry, do you understand the difference between information and knowledge? To have knowledge, means to "know" something, to communicate what you think you "know", requires you to be capable of directing your communication towards; person, place or thing/thing that can be verified/validated, and placed into context within Reality.

I'm quite confident the proper context of your communication will not fall under the category of knowledge, but under information.

Knowledge beats information in my book, but perhaps not in your book.

However, if you are ever able to elevate information to knowledge, then come back and discuss this knowledge, I really do enjoy expanding my understanding of Nature.

By the way, please for the sake of sanity, don't suggest your "knowledge" of information, is actually "information" verified as knowledge... in the context of you "knowing" information; you are suggesting you "know" the "context" of your communication to be that of "information" and information only.

Jerry D. McDonald: "I forgive you as God has forgiven you."

Do you talk with that word often?

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Jerry D. McDonald — Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:48:00 -0000

I have known Bert for many years, and was shocked to find out what had happened. However, we find great men of God doing things that they should not have done. David, for instance, committed adultery with Bethsheba and then had Uriah (her husband) murdered so he could marry her when he got caught. He didn't repent until he was caught and told that he was caught by Nathan the prophet.

What Bert did was wrong, but he has repented. The only reason that so many people are still upset with it is because it was homosexual acts. In God's eyes homosexuality is no different than adultery.

Since Bert has repented, and since his wife has forgiven him, and since God has forgiven him, what right do any of us have to hold this against him. None of us are perfect, and we are all guilty of things that we are ashamed of.

Did Bert seriously damage his influence in the church? Yes, he did! That is something that he will have to live with for the rest of his life, but that doesn't mean that he cannot be useful in the kingdom. Many a preacher has committed adultery, even some of them with girls just above the age of consent, but they are still preaching. The only reason that everyone is upset with Bert is because his acts were homosexual. Where in the Bible does it say that we are to forgive people unless the acts that they commit are homosexual?

Bert, this is Jerry McDonald. If you do read this I want to encourage you to continue living for the Lord. I forgive you as God has forgiven you. You are still needed in the church. We still need your knowledge in the fight against Atheism.

In Christ's Service,

Jerry D. McDonald

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Robert — Sun, 08 Jul 2007 02:36:00 -0000

Anonymous said...
The chronicle should not have posted an article as such. True or not, it has done much harm to the church of Christ. There will a lot of people to answer for this at the judgement. Hope ya'll are happy for the damage caused. You said you were Christians?

AH
Texas

Anonymous said...

That's where your post starts and ends.

I personally know victims from this case and to a man all of them tell the same story. They all met this person in their early teens and they have all known since their 16th birthday (AL. Victims) what this man is all about. That's just the tip of the iceberg as far as what other things they have in common. There is evidence that shows he invested years in calculating his moves. This behavior amounts to nothing more than premeditated terror by someone you can supposedly trust. This man scientifically stalked children from an early age, cultivated relationships with their families and betrayed them in front of everyone's face. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Slandering his victims and denying the accusations with indignation to the bitter end. God can choose to forgive him but his consequences will be continued to be bore on this earth.

Robert

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Andy — Sun, 27 May 2007 08:54:00 -0000

In Gods eyes, sin is sin no matter if the sin is homosexuality, murder, gossip, or disbelief. The world likes to compare sin or people by saying, "I'm not a bad as so and so" or "I've never done anything like that." The bottom line is that we all need the forgiveness of our sins through the blood of Christ. I encourage all Christians to pray for Mr. Thompson that he will have victory over this sin. There is always hope if we turn to God.