DISQUS

sunnykill · 5 months ago

masterbation is normal. get over it! i would not be surprised if other animals masterbated! i really wouldnt! and god never said anything about it, so lets not assume that it is wrong. adam probably masterbated, probably to a point where god was made sick and decided to create a sex object for him, because who wants to watch the same porn over and over again?

rasputinslovechild · 5 months ago

sunnykill,
that was awesome!
You are correct about animals. I once owned a pygmy billy goat we affectionately named Timothy Leary (another story).
Once this goat reached puberty he would chase anyone and everyone around attempting to do the ole leg hump.
Sometimes he would look at me with those weird rectangular pupils and I could see the lust in his eyes.
He would put his front legs on the fence as he became physically aroused and would, well, I think you know. If you didn't get a good twenty feet away you were his target!
He didn't even need hands!
I hope this wasn't too disgusting.
I guess some stories are better left untold. Sorry.

sunnykill · 5 months ago

yea ive seen dogs cats do that. i think i saw a turtle as well. as long as animals and people are sexual deities they will masterbate. although i dont belief in a god,i doubt he cares if men masterbate, after all women are impure!

glebealyth · 2 months ago

Just go to the zoo and watch the primates. You will see both sexes playing with their genitalia.

Just don't watch for too long - you may be arrested.

peter · 2 months ago

David, for some obscure reason, the Bonobos are my favourite primates.... ;)

Apparently, even unborn children fondle their genitals in the womb....:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jx0dTYUO5E

(or maybe this just proves the concept of original sin, where not even fetuses are innocent anymore of lust; but I wonder what they're thinking of? That cute fetus in the other lady in the gynaecologist's waiting room?)

Peter. (<-- as confused as a baby in a topless bar)

glebealyth · 2 months ago

Careful now.

Once the word is out that foetuses play with their genitals, there will arise a fungigenital charity whose missionary call is to preach the word to the unborn so that they might be reborn before they are born.

They would have to develop very small messengers to carry the word. Maybe we have been misjudging all the sexual exploits of the televangelists. It is possible that all along, they have been participating in experiments and proving trials for nano-evangelists, delivered in semen, guarded by "soldier sperm" which have received god's blessing and call to be a holy delivery system for these nano-evangelists.

Could be the reason why the Pope and DirtyWaters, our recent troll, refuse to encourage the use of condoms.

These foetuses don't touch their genitals all the time though, so they are only guilty of Onanoffism? (Applies to us all, I suppose)

Peace,

David

glebealyth · 2 months ago

S'right, Peter.

Everybody's doin' it!

AtheistToothFairy · 2 months ago

glebealyth:Once the word is out that [fetuses] play with their genitals..

Well David, a light just came on in me, when you wrote this line.

I always wondered what the specifics were for this thing the Catholic Church calls "Original Sin"; that we are evidently BORN with.

I had NO idea that this was a result of Prenatal Masturbation.

Who Knew !!

ATF

AtheistToothFairy · 5 months ago

Masturbation is clearly a sin against god....

Unless of course you say 3 Hail Mary's, 2 Our Father's, and put $20 in the collection plate. Then it's okay to do it all you want <g>

ATF

buffettphan · 5 months ago

Those Hail Mary's only let the catholics off the hook. Others might have to slip an extra five bucks into that collection plate. ;-)

BP

sunnykill · 5 months ago

no its not! it cost a thousand dollars, two virgins, 500 forskins of men, several hundred slain pagans, a wonderious male sheep sacrifice with cannabal blood wine, and bread made of human flesh to do what you want! and i think its five hail marys. yea catholics repetive prayers isnt against gods laws. ( i added that in because catholics never read the bible and if they did they realize that the churches are fucked in the head and do not follow their own rules

Cerra · 11 months ago

If God manufactured us to have sexual urges toward another person, then why do I have sexual urges that do not include sex? When I masturbate, I do it because it feels good, not because I'm lonely. I have no desire for sex with anybody - man or woman - nor have I ever. I have been masturbating since a very young age and I must say I find it is probably the very best thing one could ever do. Forget finding a partner. That's a waste of time. Why should I waste my time courting a partner when I could just go in my bedroom and solo? Besides, even if I DID, I would NOT enjoy sex with ANYONE, not one bit, not AT ALL. I would HATE IT. Yes, I'm asexual. Yes, I masturbate. Yes, I'm proud.
MASTURBATION IS PERFECTLY OKAY. DO IT.
GOD IS WRONG.

King of the Slaves! · 1 year ago

" Jesus loves you and is ready for you to accept him as your Lord and Savior!"

Thanks but you know who also loves you? Yep you guessed it He-man. Christ might be lord of heaven and earth, but He-man is the master of the fucking Universe. And when your father who happens to be a preacher, is trying to molest you at night do you want an anerexic Jew who nows how to build a coffe table or nice book case there to fend off your over sexed Jesus believing father. Or do you want a Barbian God crashing through your window to put a broad sword in that child raping jesus lovers ass. I know which I would pick. Jesus says if you pray to the father than he will answer your prayer. He-man doesn't need a mediator why all he needs to do is raise his sword toward the sky ( you know warning God if you fuck any of this up for me I'll kill you you stupid worthless piece of shit) and says "I have the power" not talk to my daddy and he might help if he isn't in a drunkin orgie right now. No He-mans like I got this shit now lets kick some ass.

All praise the master of the universe.

freedy · 3 years ago

I told my 3 sons,...each around 8 or nine about touching their own penises to be a healthy thing.Also if they want masterbate to do it in the shower not in public wiew(they have a baby sister).O how i wished my dad have done the same ,..that is to teach me that this not only normal ,but healthy.I wonder how many sex offenders out there were shamed sexually by ther puranical fundie parents????????????

Anonymous · 3 years ago

I'm in my 50's and I first found the pleasure I could get from my penis and scrotal area when I was about 6 or 7 years old. Even at that young age, it didn't take me long to find out that I could enjoy a body shaking experience that would give me a wonderful feeling from head to toe if I rubbed myself just right and long enough. I still enjoy masturbating in bed at night. As much now as I did when I was a little boy.

I've heard many guys say they didn't start masturbating until their teen years. What a shame they didn't know earlier. In the past, it was taboo to discuss, but maybe in today's world, that kind of personal information can be safely passed on so that it can be enjoyed early, like I did.

One advantage of doing it back then was all the pleasures and no mess to clean up afterwards.

Anonymous · 3 years ago

im in my teens and i masturbate all the time but i want to stop im catholic afteri masturbate i always have a sense of guilt so is masturbation wrong?

religionkills · 3 years ago

Why would ANY god create humans to act like humans and then get pissed that they act like humans? Sex is a normal natural function of everything on this planet that moves and breathes! Whether it produces asexually, (sounds like major masturbation to me!), or has a partner. You damned crispies bitch about people having sex "outside of marriage", and scream how that is supposed to be a sin...so how the hell is a person supposed to relieve that deep down ache? Grovel to an indifferent god? Riiiiggghhhht. Unlike my mother, I taught my kids about sex as soon as they were old enough to start asking the questions..certainly didn't lie to them and tell the some bullshit like, "I found you in a cabbage patch", the ol' stand by of the stork business. That's LYING..you jerks. Both my boys are teen-agers
now, and I tell them that if they are planning on gettin' "laid", then use a "scrote coat" and don't be making no babies before they are ready for that kind of responsibility. Also, that using one of those head hats will protect them form any nasty communicable diseases that could completely end their sex life...or their life period. Dobson and his fellow crispies are so full of shit their eyes are brown. Sex is NORMAL! Masterbation is NORMAL! Get over the crispie bullshit and I guarantee you'll realize guilt is a useless emotion. It's not the same thing as being remorseful for a real wrong one may have done...like killing the neighbor's pet on purpose or something. SO have fun! Diddle! Wack off! And, ENJOY IT!

Anonymous · 2 years ago

Does one gain more energy if they do not masterbate for a while? Wondering if anyone out there has gone 2 weeks or more w/o masterbating. I heard the urge is no longer present after a week. Wondering if this is true.

Ninn · 1 month ago

Well, when I masturbate for a week or so afterward there is a deep pain on the right side of my lower stomach, so i usually wait a while before doing it again so as to not make it worse.

Anonymous · 2 years ago

I don't know what you mean by energy, but it is definitely more pleasurable to do it after having abstained for a while (like a week or so.)
I've actually gone a couple months without masturbating (currently going a month without, on a bet I made with some friends) and I can tell you that the urge never totally goes away. It's easier to ignore if you're busy with other things or if you still get wet dreams, but it's pretty much always there in the back of your head.
In my experience with it, anyway.

Anonymous · 2 years ago

Hi, Im 46 years old and i've been materbating since kindergarden. Masterbation helped me to relieve the stress of growing up in a very disfunctional family. Masterbation helped me be respectfull of young ladys when i was dating in high school. I wasn't always tring to put the moves on them because wasn't as horney after masterbating. And if things did get hot and steamy on a date, I didn't have to pressure the young lady for sex, cause I could allways go home and Masterbate. When I finaly got married my wife and I enjoyed making love and mutual Masterbation often together. After she had our children and she became tired at times from tending to the children, she wasn't always in the mood or had the energy to make love as often as we had in the beginning. Masterbation alloud me to give her the time to rest up while i took care of my needs on my oun. Our relationship continued on its happy way. Masterbation also helped her to think of me when I had to be out of toun, and it helped me to be faithfull. Materbating didn't cause me to be a pervert or pedophile or be hooked on pornography or any other sexualy negative type person. What it did do is help me to cope with life in a positive way. My wife and I still enjoy Masterbating eather together or by our selves. If more young people or people in general Masterbated instead of stead of having premarrital sex or extramarrital affairs, there would be less teen pregnencys, less unwanted children or chilren not being able to be taken care of , less broken relationships and people with long lasting emotional scares. And as far as the religious thing is conserned, I think GOd gives a divine release through Masterbation so we as humans dont go crazy under the pressures of life.

Anonymous · 2 years ago

MASTERBATION IS A SIN BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO IT YOU ARE LUSTING. THAT'S WHY IT'S BETTER TO GET MARRIED IF YOU CANT CONTROL YOURSELF OR ASK GOD TO CORRECT YOUR MINDS. READ, FAST ,AND PRAY( WATCH, PRAY, LEST YOU ENTER IN TEMPATION. THE SPIRIT IS INDEED IS WILLING, BUT THE FLESH IS WEAK. MATTHEW 26:41) YOU ALSO HAVE TO BE HOLY. I DONT THINK YOU WILL MAKE IT TO HEAVEN IF CONTINUE MASTERBATING. BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO FREE FROM SIN. JESUS LOVES YOU

Anonymous · 2 years ago

Masturbation itself is not a sin, but lusting is. I don't see how its possible to do one without the other. Your logic is also difficult to understand. You're saying because we can't get diseases from it, then it can't be bad? Can you get diseases from dishonouring your father or mother, stealing, killing, blaspheming, idolizing, coveting, murdering, or any other sin?

So then I leave you with the words of Jesus. Masturbation is a selfish sinful act which is always accompanied by lusting.

"You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.' "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. "If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. "And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell." (Mat 5:27-31)

Wes · 2 years ago

Stop frickin' yelling! Or fix your friggin' caps lock. Whatever the problem is, get it dealt with before posting here again, moronymous. -Wes.

Wes · 2 years ago

Oh, I really have to ask. Did Jesus masturbate? C'mon, now - I am being serious. Does anyone know? Did he jerk off at least ONCE? He is male, right? Born with a penis? Did he ever touch his naughty bits? Did he ever get an erection? Or did it just hang limp all his thirty three years. Inquiring minds want to know... -Wes.

Wes · 2 years ago

"So then I leave you with the words of Jesus. Masturbation is a selfish sinful act which is always accompanied by lusting.

"You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.' "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. "If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. "And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell." (Mat 5:27-31)
"

How the hell did you read "Masturbation is a sin" out of that biblical vomit?? My god, how your mind so easily sees what it wants to! Kind of like how I saw a human face in the seagull shit on my windshield last weekend, I guess. Besides - really - a supposed 'god of the universe', like the biblical god is supposed to be - would he really care what I do with my dick?!? -Wes.

dirty old man always · 2 years ago

Ok I'd like to say that I'm a male married to a female for over 30 years and over I'm over 50 years old and I estimate that I have masturbated over 10,000 times, almost every time while I masturbated I formed an image in my mind of other women and young girls and still do, probably thought of my wife less than 20 times in all. I have thought of women and young girls while masturbating that I have seen either bent over in a dress or in shorts or a bikini from ages 9 years old to 55 years old.

One night when I was about 20 years old, my wife asked her two gorgeous sisters 10 and 12 yrs old to stay over with us and they slept in the guest bedroom, so that morning I woke up about 5:00 AM to go to the bathroom and there they were with the door open across the hallway from the bathroom, sound asleep with nothing on but pantys and small bra on, well what a glorious sight, the memory is still very fresh, well as things began to rise to the occasion, I closed the bathroom door to a slight crack and well yes I indulged in a wonderful, lustful, satisfying, memorable, self-gradification, ahh the joy, the temptation, what a release, the sin? I felt no sin nor guilt and still do not, I would gladly do it again, if I had the chance, that was over 30 years ago and they both are married and have children now in the teens. No one knows this until now.

I have other stories, but I have no regrets about lusting other women and girls, I would never touch one, without their consent, because I would be violating their personal rights and world view.

To the fundies reading this, the only place sin and hell exists is in a book, written by psychotic drug induced goat herders.

Would like to hear others experiences.

DH · 2 years ago

I appreciate this discussion about masturbation. My dis-conversion "testimony" has been on this site for over a year. But back in the 1990s I started a website devoted to debunking religious prohibitions against masturbation; that site (no longer under my supervision) continues today as www.solotouch.com. The first posting I put on the website was my lengthy rebuttal of religious objections to masturbation. The piece also includes my personal struggle with Christian attitudes toward self-pleasuring. I encourage anyone interested in exploring this topic of religion and masturbation to read this account which is still on the solotouch website. Go to http://www.solotouch.com/res.php?t=a&num=1 to read the introduction then follow links to go through the entire essay. My suggestion is for everyone to abandon guilt and freely enjoy themselves!

Anonymous · 2 years ago

There is no medical link between masturbation and blindness, hairy palms (this one is just ridiculous), and any other sypmtoms that philistinic parents scare their children with.

Anonymous · 2 years ago

Just to prove it... I'm going to masturbate. Losers!

Anonymous · 2 years ago

I masturbate but have no thoughts towards others whatsoever. I am just thinking how it fees and whatnot but don't think "I could so be doing so and so right now".

So technically is that against God? I literally don't masturbate towards another person or thing.

I simply masturbate.

Right or wrong?

(please try to relate to the bible. Also if you feel the need to cuss I will not even read your opinion because I already don't think your extremly holy and able to choose for me.)

stronger now · 2 years ago

Anony,

You cum on an EX-CHRISTIAN site to ask for someones opinion, and this opinion has to come from someone that isn't too unholy for ya!

HAA!HAAA!HAA!HAAAAAA!

ROFLMHAO!

How is it that you determine who is holy enough to make your choices for you? And what would make you think that you could find such a person here?







Oh yeah..... shit.

Anonymous · 2 years ago

I'm a christian teen and i was completly fine with my body and touching myself until my mother contantly yelled at me and accused me of it. And so i denied it because she would scream at me at the top of her lungs for doing it even thought she origially told me it was a natural thing to do. Then i got angry at her and called her a bitch one night because she barged into my room one night and statrted yelling at me about mastrubating. So she says I must be having ex if i touch myself. And i really am trying to be comfortable with myself agian but it is proving to be difficult.

Anonymous · 2 years ago

I always feel like god punishes me after I masturbate , along with lots of guilt...

Scholar · 2 years ago

Dear Annonymous from Nov 10 posting and others alike...

I want to congratulate you for your courage and talking about your guilt with others. You are allready well on your way!

The issues you have described here are the result of illogical, untested, and unhealthy beliefs developed in human history that slipped into culture and religion under the guise of unquestioned "knowledge". We now know better but some of that missinformation still lingers in culture and religion, prevending healthy sexuality rather than fostering it. Thus, unfortunatelly, some religious views are doing society a disservice. Obveously, it's done you a disservice.

Please take note that as you begin to own your own sexuality and its development, it is not necessary to drop your spirituality. In fact, your spirituality may grow too, as annonymous age 46 hinted at in describing his wonderful relationship with his wife.

Also, though you didn't say so, it is normal for people to question their orrientation. Many young men have not ended up gay as a result (or there would be many-many more gay men).

For many who have guilt, for whatever reason, about their sexuality, masterbation, and importantly - the thoughts that come to mind while doing so (especially when thoughts and behavior do not fit tidily in the black and white view of heterosexism), it can be a deeply painful and issolating experience.

In response, I would like to suggest that what you are feeling is quite common. I came from a hyperreligious family and I felt guilty about masterbation for years. I got caught once - we never talked about it, and I felt so ashamed I wanted to die. Then I learned to talk about it several years later. Several friends had a parent walk in on them at some point, and laughing about it was a huge relief from thinking I owed it to society to die because of my dirty little secret. As your sexuality matures, your guilt will diminish and pass.

I recommend talking with others, getting education and - as feeling punished by God bespeaks of trauma, get some help. Take a course on human sexuality if you have access too one, and now that you've taken a chance over the internet - talk with your safe peers and family members.

I suggested help because being punished by God clearly indicates you are distressed by some aspect of masterbation or your thoughts at the time. Counselors, including church counselors, will be good as long as they don't try to change your sexuality in some way, such as saying you shouldn't masterbate, or that gay thoughts need to be fixed. A GLBT center either in your area, local university, or over the web might be of assistance. My experience has been that the fear such places will try to "change" you into being gay if you are not is laughable. What you will get is a community that can support you through healing from feeling stigmatized to the point it seems God himself is punishing you.

Sincerely,
Scholar.

argooya · 2 years ago

I feel obliged to attest to the promotion of such a repulsive act of moral degradation irrelevant of its scientific benefits or harms.

I have seen recent scientific conclusions stating that porn could increase men’s life by a few years. Sure, sell your soul to the devil and degrade yourself spiritually and psychologically to gain a couple years in this limited lifetime.

Even if Playing with yourself is deemed to benefit the body, which I doubt, it is the wrong way of satisfying a basic need. A need that god has placed in us for the sole purpose of the continuation of the human race, not for lustful limited satisfaction in ones privacy.

I do not condemn those who choose to be different in their own personal lives, but I do condemn and protest the promotion of these private matters to a broader audience.

Astreja · 2 years ago

What devil, Argooya? What god?

Personally, I'm fine with "lustful limited satisfaction" in private.

And your use of phrases like "repulsive act of moral degradation" and "degrade yourself spiritually and psychologically" say volumes about the way you've chosen to view human sexuality. You would be well advised to seek professional help to deal with the issue.

freethinker05 · 2 years ago

The only time I hand-jig is in between not having sex with my wife, hehehe...or thinking about Chealcon, HAHAHA, Roger A/A

Anonymous · 2 years ago

Funny name for the site..."ExChristian". There neither is nor can be any such thing. Either you believe by grace through faith and are sealed forever by the Holy Spirit, or you were fooling yourself by thinking that if you 'decided' to be a Christian that settled the matter. It doesn't.

Jim Arvo · 2 years ago

Anonymous,

As there appears to be no such thing as a "Holy Spirit", one's religion is most certainly a personal decision and nothing more. Hence, one can decide to be a Christian, and then not.

Have a nice day.

boomSLANG · 2 years ago

If one is able to not believe Christianity, and then at a later time, come to believe it....then surely, one is able to believe Christianity, and at a later time, not believe it. A belief, is a belief, is a belief. Nice try, though, Anony'.

Anonymous · 1 year ago

Yes it is wrong. If your a Christian you shouldn't do it. In the Lord's eyes if you think about doing anything, then you have done it. Therefore what are you thinking about when you masterbate? Yep, I'm sure we all know. It is sexually immoral. It is pre-marital sex(which is wrong) . God created sex don't you think he would know when you would experience it the best and to its best abilities? And that is in a marriage. Not by yourself, and not in a boyfriend-girlfriend situation. My tip to people that haven't tried it yet is DO NOT TRY IT. It becomes an obsession. And if you don't do it then you don't realize what your missing. :D -Mick

Astreja · 1 year ago

Anonymouse, if you want anyone to believe that your god invented sex, you're going to have to first prove that your god exists.

And there is nothing whatsoever wrong with masturbation, fantasizing, *or* pre-marital sex between consenting parties of appropriate ages.

The only thing you got right was the obsession part. Obsession can be extremely damaging to one's mental health.

And that includes obsessing about imaginary invisible super-beings who have Strong Opinions about how we choose to use our quickly-moving parts.

Now go fuck yourself. And I so mean it.

THE ACE · 1 year ago

The comments of the Born-Agains
on this topic are so ironic. These
people are so filled with the guilt and fear of ancient beliefs
and superstitions. If anyone could
use a good whack-off, its them!

Sure, I'd rather make love to a
woman, but unless you're married
or in a relationship, that's not
always possible. And during my
Christian days, I always prayed
that God would send me that someone
special. And how much help did I
get?

You guessed it. Nada...Zilch..Bupkis. One of about
a thousand unanswered prayers.

So, instead of masturbating, perhaps I should just go out and
rape some woman? Would that make
you Bible-beaters happy? At least
I won't be touching myself!

Christians need a severe reality
check.

Anonymous · 1 year ago

I statrted masterbateing not long ago. It wasn't a big deal, I was enjoying what God gave to me. After some time, I started lusting. Masterbation leads to lust and lust is wrong. Now some of you said that you have to be free from sin to be accepted into heaven. No, that's not true. No one is free from sin.Everyone sins, sorry, but it's true. Your job is to aviod temptation, spread the word of God to others, and follow his ways. Jesus died for us so we could have a chance in heaven. If jesus didn't do that, no one would be alowed in, but because he died, as long as we beleive in him, we can be allowed in heaven. Ever read John 3:16 in the bible? that's what it says. I think that masterbating is not a good thing to start to do. You must be a strong human being and aviod temptation.

Astreja · 1 year ago

Anonymouse: "Now some of you said that you have to be free from sin to be accepted into heaven."

Who? Where?? Not any of us regulars. This is an ex-Christian site.

"Jesus died for us so we could have a chance in heaven. If jesus didn't do that, no one would be alowed in..."

Damned stupid way to run a celestial paradise, in My opinion. Forever tainting the place with blood.

"Ever read John 3:16 in the bible?"

Yup. Absolutely disgusting. I rejected it many years ago as utter bullcrap. A gift purchased with human sacrifice is not worth having.

"You must be a strong human being and aviod temptation."

Make up your mind, kid... You can't become a strong human being by avoiding problems -- You must confront them.

AtheistToothFairy · 1 year ago

Anonymous wrote:
I statrted masterbateing not long ago.... Masterbation leads to lust and lust is wrong.

Perhaps in YOUR case, young anon, you should have taken up spelling as a hobby, rather than masturbation.

Now some of you said that you have to be free from sin to be accepted into heaven. No, that's not true

I don't know what website you think your on, but no member here would suggest such a thing about being "free from sin"

No one is free from sin.Everyone sins, sorry, but it's true

Sorry, I have to disagree with you here on this sin stuff.
I for SURE, DO NOT 'sin'. Never did, in fact.

I might do something 'wrong' from time to time, but I never ever 'sin'.

'Sin' assumes one has done something wrong, based on laws from your god's rule book, aka the bible.
One would first have to assume a 'god' exists, then one has to make another assumption that this god had anything to do with your bible book of myths.

Now, once you learn how to spell properly, then I see no problem with going back to your new found masturbation hobby.
Just try not doing it, while out in public, okay.


ATF (Who wonders who is responsible for letting such non-spellers, graduate from grade school?)

Steven Bently · 1 year ago

For the Virgin Mary to bare a son without fornicating, she needed special semen and just where from did she receive this semen?

Ans: From God, and did he masturbate? Yes he did, is God a sinner? Yes he is. Was Jesus therefore born in sin? Yes he was.

Are God, Jesus and Mary going straight to hell for this? Yes they are.

Mr. Obvious · 1 year ago

Anony, anony, anony... One view of lust, suggests it is a person who exhibits uncontrolled urges.

Perhaps, you are not aware of the concept of "moderation". You know, if a person overacts or under-acts in terms of physical behaviors, they are going to threaten their life.

I'll give you an easy example; if you don't drink enough water, you die (dehydration). If you drink too much water, you die (drown).

It's called keeping a balance in one's life, in "all" areas, that provides someone with a healthy life-style.

Now, when is the last time your religious leader sat in the pulpit and discussed how often you should wax bat?

Mr. Obvious (who thinks putting a car up on blocks reduces mileage, but increases the need to perform routine maintenance - what good is a defective car with low mileage)

THE ACE · 1 year ago

Now just a darn minute here. Based
on my knowledge and experience,
masturbation is an excellent way to
control lust, not increase it. If
you're male, and that wife or girlfriend isn't around when the
urge comes upon you, masturbation
relieves that feeling, and you end
up feeling much better, and no one is harmed at all.

Anonymous, it sounds like the church is controlling too many aspects of your life; of course,
that's what its all about, control through fear and guilt. I know, it victimized me enough in my younger days. Now it seems bizarre to me
I let the superstitions and hang-ups of an archaic civilization
rule my life.

Remember that old saying that points out the advantages of masturbation..You don't have to dress up, you're sure not to disappoint anyone, and you meet a
much better class of people that way!

Dave8 · 1 year ago

Comical role...

Well, just came home a little while ago from the musical; Phantom of the Opera, and while pondering the limits of human creativity, I comically thought of Avenue-Q, and its implications of this thread - between the internet and masturbation.

Just a thought... enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-TA57L0kuc

A · 1 year ago

I'm praying for all of you non-Christians! Jesus loves you and is ready for you to accept him as your Lord and Savior! Jesus died to forgive us of our sins, so that we may have eternal life with Him! All you have to do is believe! Like I said...I'm praying for you...and I hope that every Christian that comes across this site will pray too. Pray for revival for our nation!

sconnor · 1 year ago

"A", is for asshole.

--S.

TheAntiChristian · 2 months ago

A,
You pray and I'll masturbate.

peter · 2 months ago

I hope for you he won't pray a rosary. You might go blind if he does.

Peter.

TheAntiChristian · 2 months ago

Peter,
I'm already pretty near-sighted. My glasses are like the bottoms of jelly jars.

boomSLANG · 1 year ago

A: I'm praying for all of you non-Christians

If "prayer" worked, this site wouldn't exist. Let's be sure, though. Get all four of your Christian friends together, and get on your collective knees and beg your invisible biblegod to amend "His Will", and shut down this website. Let's see what happens.

A: Jesus loves you and is ready for you to accept him as your Lord and Savior!

"Jesus" would have to exist in order for him to be "ready" for something. "Jesus" exists nowhere outside your deluded, fairytale-believing imagination.

A :Jesus died to forgive us of our sins, so that we may have eternal life with Him

If "Jesus" died for everybody, then everybody would get into "heaven". But of course, that's not the case, according to Christian doctrine. Thus, "Jesus died" for Christians, exclusively.

A :All you have to do is believe!

All you have to do is lie to yourself. You are doing a marvelous job of that, BTW.

A : and I hope that every Christian that comes across this site will pray too

Yes, me too!....and then I hope all of those Christians who "prayed" come back in a month, or year, only to see this site still up and running, and that "prayer" is as useful as bird shit on a door knob.

A: Pray for revival for our nation!

Hope that our nation rids itself of deluded, ignorant, superstitious people!

glebealyth · 1 year ago

A: "I'm praying for all of you non-Christians!"

Many thanks, A. I really hope that you get two or more of your xtian friends to pray together with you.
Jesus promised he would do whatever three or more of you agreed upon; and do not forget to ask "in his name", so you can really be sure that it will happen.
Give him a month or two to perform, and then return here to see if he has fulfilled his promises to you. If he has then either we shall all have become believers again or this site will have been reduced to electronic dust, courtesy of his wrath.
I look forward to being able to judge the efficacy of your prayers by results. Don't you?

having fun · 1 year ago

If only I had read this when I was 14!

Hmph · 1 year ago

Well if you are a kid and your parents say its ok, and you cant stop,then do it every once in a while and try not to overdo it.keep it safe,private,and dont get addicted.

Its one thing to like it.
Its another to be addicted

Tommy · 1 year ago

I'm a Christian teen who's been masturbating since I was 12. Every time I do I feel incredibly guilty. Not because of the actual act of masturbation but because of what it actually took for me to climax. No where in the Bible does it say that touching your penis is wrong but it does say not to lust. Since it's I think it's nigh impossible to masturbate without "lusting" than well... What Can Ya Do??? It would be theologically wrong to say masturbation is wrong. Since I know that I cannot masturbate without lusting I continually fight it. While I may lose a lot, I feel that fighting is better than just giving up!!

Thanks!

Monkeys · 1 year ago

Why dont you pray to God to help you stop lusting?
can it be your God wants you to lust?
Or perhaps he does not exist?

Could it be that you lust and your religion come from the same place - a self-pleasuring fantasy?

Tommy · 1 year ago

Masturbation isn't a sin!! Lusting is!! If you can wank off without lusting than good for you;) HAHAHA I know that I can't so what's a guy to do???!?! None for me I guess!

WhateverLolaWants · 1 year ago

Oh Tommy, just think those things that get you off, and quit feeling guilty about it. Be a normal teen boy. It's not giving in, it's doing what's best for you. It's better for your mental health to not be continually avoiding this thing that has become the forbidden fruit. Everyone around you will appreciate it- you'll be less uptight, more relaxed and cheerful. Read some of the comments here about how masturbation can improve your life. I particularly like the one about being more respectful to girls, as you aren't always trying to use them for your sexual gratification. (Not saying you do that, but it can help guard against that.) It's called taking ownership of your desires and taking care of them in a responsible way. And it will feel gooooood.

And if you're worried about being good at sex later in life, like most teens, maybe in marriage, well, masturbation will make you better at it. You'll be able to last longer, you'll know what you like and can tell or show your wife, and you won't always bug her when you're horny and she's not in the mood. Frankly, I wouldn't want to get with a guy who didn't masturbate.

Of course, if you're continuing to use religious reasons against lust, well, I can't help you there too much. I used to be a Christian, but I'm not anymore (thankfully), so you probably wouldn't agree with my religious arguments (or lack thereof), and that's fine. But I can say this much- I struggled with some of these issues as a teen trying to be a good Christian- I too thought that masturbating was okay as long as I didn't lust. But where are the boundaries of lust? There's so much gray area. For example, what if I thought about having sex with someone, but didn't even picture the person? Was thinking about an imaginary guy worse than a real one? Was thinking about a guy I knew wrong? Was thinking about a girl worse? Was it wrong just to think about how good it felt to masturbate? Was it wrong to think of something that wasn't blatantly sexual, but I found sexy? What if a thought popped into my head and I didn't mean for it to? And what if it felt so good that I thought about it afterwards when I was in class or something and wanted to do it again- would I be lusting after masturbation? So many legalities on my pleasure!

Eventually I realized it didn't matter and I should just do what made me happy, since it wasn't hurting anyone. And it was great!

Revel in your human-ness, instead of trying to fight it. Don't let life leave you behind while you're struggling with legalities. My two cents, take it for what it's worth.

TheAntiChristian · 2 months ago

Tommy,
I usually think about my algebra homework when I masturbate. Is that still considered lust?

Tommy · 1 year ago

Jesus died for those that would accept Him!!!! He created us with a free will. Your choice. I know I love Him and have accepted Him as my Lord and Saviour.

sconnor · 1 year ago

tommy--the jesus lovin', guilty, masturbator,

Jesus died for those that would accept Him!!!! He created us with a free will. Your choice. I know I love Him and have accepted Him as my Lord and Saviour.

Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo.

Care to share any evidence for your flying zombie, creator, sky-daddy?

--S.

Ace · 1 year ago

heres your evidence start reading the Bible dang get off your lazy asses and read. If you actually read, it makes a lot of sense plus why do you think there's stealing,killing,rape and all of those things ITS BECAUSE OF THE DEVIL OR SATAN OR APOLLOYON OR RED DRAGON whatever you want to call him hes the root of all evil like when you want to do something thats not right thats the devil tempting you like with Adam and Eve who we all are related to they gave in to temptation and because of them doing that sin was released into the world and if it wasnt for those two sinning we would have a world of complete peace also I dare ANYONE to disagree on this question IF GOD ISNT REAL HOW DID EVERYTHING GET CREATED. GIVE ME A GOOD ANSWER IF YOU CAN AND DONT SAY BULL LIKE SCIENTISTS OR EVOLUTION OR WE WERE ALREADY HERE TCH I could say all types of things just to convince you to get back on the path of salvation

Astreja · 1 year ago

Acehole, I don't want your bogus salvation. If it comes from your genocidal, filicidal, pestilential invisible friend, it isn't worth having.

And stop blaming human bad behaviour on dragons... Some of My very best friends are dragons.

And you're a friggin' idiot if you think "Adam" and "Eve" were real people. Next you'll be trying to convince us that the world is only 6,000 years old.

(sighs heavily, pounds troll unconscious with clue-by-four, and wanders off to pour Herself a nice virtual brandy)

AtheistToothFairy · 1 year ago

Ace,

So who created your personal god then?
[ATF highly suspecting his/her own mind did that]

A bigger better god perhaps?

Or maybe, just maybe, it was some god-collective instead (like the Borg), that put their great resources together to make your xtian god?

So anytime I do something wrong, it's really the devil making me do it?
If that is true, then why did your god not only create this devil, but then send him down to earth to be amongst us mortals?

As far as where the universe came from:
If your god always existed (so you'll tell me soon), then why not the basic components that led to the birth of our PRESENT known universe?


ATF (Who see's nothing wrong with having a pet dragon-- other than the huge food bills I incur)

Monkeys · 1 year ago

See how illogical Ace is.

Evidence that Harry POtter is real is the Harry Potter book.
we only know about Harry POtter through his books
Evidence that Allah is real is the Koran
we only know about Allah through the Koran
Evidence that Hinduism is true is the Bhagavad-Gita
we only know about Hinduism from the BG


Evidence tt the Bible God is true is from the Bible.
we only know abt the Bible God from the Bible


CIRCULAR ARGUMENT.

No wonder Ace works for the Satan/Lucifer/Unholy Spirit Trinity.
Evidence for that?
Oh just read my post - theres your evdience.
I hope that aritight circular argument satisifies your airtight head.

Ace · 1 year ago

dont ever say I work for that piece of crap (im talking about the devil) look I decided if you all dont want to hear the truth and dont want to accept it thats your choice but if you want to know some things ask but look God works in ways humans cant understand so I cant answer any question that comes at me

Monkeys · 1 year ago

Oh didn't you see my evidence for you working for that excellent master of yours.

:)

Its a circular argument that you used yourself - AFTERALL your master works in ways humans cany understand
So dont try to pull the trick that the [prince of lies has taught you.

Thats is - if you are dumb enough to think he exists.

Godbye princess of the devil

AtheistToothFairy · 1 year ago

Ace: dont ever say I work for that piece of crap (im talking about the devil)

Aceboy,

You just called the devil a "piece of crap".
Don't you find it at all odd, that your god did far more evil in your bible book, than the devil did?

Tell me Ace, how many 'bad' or 'evil' things can you name that this devil actually did in your ancient story book?

He surely must have done a whole lot of bad, to earn this label from you, "piece of crap"?

ATF (Who hopes he doesn't think the Garden of Eden snake was the devil, because the story of Genesis doesn't tell us this)

glebealyth · 2 months ago

So god works in mysterious ways that humans cannot understand.

And you know this how?

Not from god, whose ways are too mysterious for you to understand.

For Ace, whose ever-decreasing circles will eventually see him disappearing through the hole in the middle of the record (or some similarly-shaped orifice).

Yes, I know it's an old post, but it's Sunday morning and I'm feeling lazy.

Monkeys · 1 year ago

kikibunga died for those that would accept him.
kikibunga created us with free will
You choice
I know I love Kikibunga and have accepted Kikibunga as my lord and saviour.

Can you see how strange this sounds when you have no evidence that kikibunga or jesus is what you say he is.
its becomes mere gibberish

Astreja · 1 year ago

Tommy, what part of Ex-Christian don't you understand? Go do your loving and accepting of your imaginary friend somewhere else, please.

Ace · 1 year ago

why are all of you people on here so freaking stupid ok you know what ill ask all of you some questions here's one who do you think created you

Astreja · 1 year ago

My human parents. Got a problem with that, kid?

Ace · 1 year ago

no God he formed you in the womb but he knows who you are before you are born see your parents brought you into the world but God created you

Monkeys · 1 year ago

No you see Allah formed you in the womb - not your Christian version of the 3 pronged God.

all you are doing is making things up.

:)

Monkeys · 1 year ago

LOL!

Ace: why are all you prople on here so freaking stupid.

Christians never fail to demonstrate why Christianity encourages insipid behaviour.

btw - If your answer is God created us - who created your God?
fair is fair right?

1.)If everything needs to be created.
2.) Then your God needs to be created too.

If you say God does not need to be created - then why not everything.

If you say the meaning of God means that he is not created - then that is not true for many Gods in ancient history were created. As a classification - Gods do not imply being not created,

If you say the Bible is evidence that God is not created - then you make a circular argument.

1.) The Bible says God created everything
2.) The evidence that God created everything is the Bible,

But then anything written down is true if what is written down is evidence for it.

Which makes no sense cause than the Koran would be true as well as harry potter,

Ultimately the TRUTH is - you have not only no EVIDENCE that God created the universe - you dont even have any EVIDENCE he exists at all.

:)

And thats why the accumalation scientific knowledge in explaining things scares the bejeesus out of you,

You cant even prove he eixsts much less prove he created anything.
Sadly the answer who created God - is probably human beings.

Ace · 1 year ago

look may I please say that I honestly dont know how he exists its just a question nobody can answer but if im allowed to ill ask him in heaven once the rapture happens also humans were created in HIS image plus the Bible is the truth I know what it stands for
Basic
Instruction
Before
Leaving
Earth
see cool huh?

Monkeys · 1 year ago

LOL!

Obviously you forgot the Bible was not written in English. Furthermore its full of contradictions and scientific nonsense like pi=3.

A fairy told me that BIBLE Actually stood for

Blinded
Information
Based on
Lack of
Evidence


cooler huh?
The bhagavad-Gita is actually the true book.

AtheistToothFairy · 1 year ago

Ace: may I please say that I honestly dont know how he exists its just a question nobody can answer..

Ace,
And do you know WHY "nobody can answer" how he exists?

Simple....Because there is NO god of the bible, existing in this universe, and probably no other universe either.

Please start using your brain, instead of your addiction to the emotional highs that your beliefs provide you, and in overabundance to.

Being "high on jesus" is going to kill you faster than being high on LSD.

ATF (Who thinks "Ace" is missing 51 one of his 'friends', but for sure, not the Joker Card)

AtheistToothFairy · 1 year ago

BIBLE:

Braindead
Idiots
Babbling
Loco
Emotions

sconnor · 1 year ago

Ha! This is fun.

BIBLE:

Blissfully
Ignorant
Book of
Loquacious
Equivocations.

--S.

buffettphan · 1 year ago

Bigoted
Insane
Bullshit-Spewing
Lying
Egomaniacs

I just love word games.........

Ace · 1 year ago

well prepare to go to hell dont say I didnt warn you

sconnor · 1 year ago

well prepare to go to hell dont say I didnt warn you...

...as he said, stomping like a two year old, slamming the door on the way out, knowing he was inadequately prepared and morbidly inept.

--S.

Monkeys · 1 year ago

Ace is so sad....
ran out of things to say.

btw its you goingto burn in the Muslim hell.

have fun - bring sunscreen

AtheistToothFairy · 1 year ago

Ace: well prepare to go to hell dont say I didnt warn you

Acehole,

I won't say you didn't warn me per se, but for sure you didn't warn me in a proper manner, meaning, with some evidence to back up your dire warning.
I suppose with your new warning to us here, that the word BIBLE takes on yet another new meaning.

BIBLE:

Broiling
Innocent
Bodies
Lovingly-for-all
Eternity

ATF (Who knows if there is a hell, that Ace will surely be joining us; but be on his own BBQ spit)

glebealyth · 2 months ago

But
It
Bloody
Lacks
Evidence.

Not so cool, but closer to the truth.

sconnor · 1 year ago

ace,

ITS BECAUSE OF THE DEVIL OR SATAN OR APOLLOYON OR RED DRAGON...
IF GOD ISNT REAL HOW DID EVERYTHING GET CREATED. GIVE ME A GOOD ANSWER IF YOU CAN AND DONT SAY BULL LIKE

Mother Nature, of course. Anyone can rationalize and conceptualize an entity that supposedly, explains natural phenomenon and mysterious happenings. Just like Mother Nature having control over all the world with the help of all the invisible fairies who control the seasons, the weather, the animal populace, creation, etc.

The only problem -- Mother Nature -- is just like your rationalized concept of god and satan -- all have no objective evidence of their existence.

--S.

Ace · 1 year ago

honestly I dont know how but I know hes real because lives are changed when people get saved and thats good proof since someone could be so deep in drugs or whatever their problems are and He can turn their live around im sorry about saying offensive things but forget about that its my job to spread the info about Christ and I just want to spread it with you all so only if you want to you can get saved I understand that you think your prayers get unanswered but if its something that you need not just want you will get it eventually

Monkeys · 1 year ago

confused and illogical

Contradiction
a.) honestly i dont know
b.) but i know he is real

Non-exclusive claim
people change because of Jesus therefore he is real

but they also change because of Islam and Buddhism both of which are not inclusive of most christianity.
Hence jesus is not the son of God as claimed by islam under Ace meaningless argument.


troll behaviour by Ace

if you rmain goal is preaching on this webiste - please leave.
Read the Disclaimer on this website before posting more of your unsubstantiated rubbish

angela · 1 year ago

People also lose weight because of Jenny Craig and Weight Watchers, even though we all know Jared from the subway ads has the "truth"

sconnor · 1 year ago

ace,

why are all of you people on here so freaking stupid ok you know what ill ask all of you some questions here's one who do you think created you

We don't know. We have no idea who or what created us. We do not know if one god created us or many or none. We don't know if the universe was an entirely natural process that took billions and billions of years to come to fruition.

And if you are being honest, you don't know, either.

You do not possess any special knowledge, that we wouldn't have.

--S.

boomSLANG · 1 year ago

"Ace" chirped: heres your evidence start reading the Bible dang get off your lazy asses and read.

Hi, little teenaged boy. Hey, listen, "the Bible" wasn't written by a "God", okay?...and until/unless you can prove that it was, your recommendation amounts to worthless jibber-jabber. ' We good? Okay, great, I'll loosely assume we have an understanding.

FYI, here's some of the arguments that we won't accept as "evidence" for the supposed veracity(the truthfulness) of "the Bible":

- "The Bible is true because I said so!!!!"

- "The Bible is true because the Bible says so!!!!"

- "The Bible is true because God says so!!!!"

- "The Bible is true because you're stupid if you don't believe it's true!!!!"

- "The Bible is true because Evolution is just a theory!!!"

- "The Bible is true because my mommy and daddy taught me it was true!!!!"

- "The Bible is true because you don't have an alternative explanation for our existence that I will accept!!!!"

- "The Bible is true, because if it were false, that could mean that my whole worldview is a lie, including the promise that I will live forever and ever and ever in the clouds with Jesus, my family, my friends, my pets, and my Wii..... therefore, as I said previously, the Bible is true, true, true!!!!"

Again, we will not accept the above arguments, or any similar variations. Thanks.

*Disclaimer: If you, "Ace" - or any Christian - view my renderings as caricatures, and/or, strawmen....i.e...if you feel I have "distorted"your argument(s) because they are "easier" to refute, then fine, give me the corrected version(s) of why "the Bible" should be accepted as "Truth".

Ace · 1 year ago

I know the Bible wasnt written by God it was written by his apostles which were the men who took on his teachings you know spread his Word like Matthew Mark Luke John the wrote the 4 Gospels which were named after them also you're entitled to your own opinion im just trying to spread the Word if you want to ask me questions then ask if you dont believe me thats your choice but if you choose to believe me and get saved then you'll be saved from an eternity in hell

sconnor · 1 year ago

acehole,

honestly I dont know how but I know hes real because lives are changed when people get saved and thats good proof since someone could be so deep in drugs or whatever their problems are and He can turn their live around...

Non-sequitur. Peoples lives change all the time; a deity isn't responsible.

Although -- your argument, also, supports muslims, whose lives have changed because they believe in the all-mighty allah. Does that mean allah exists?

its my job to spread the info about Christ and I just want to spread it with you all so only if you want to you can get saved...if you dont believe me thats your choice but if you choose to believe me and get saved then you'll be saved from an eternity in hell

If it's your job, then you are doing a shitty, shitty job.

Acehole, Your loquacious, dumb-ass murmurings, only, strengthen our perception of how ridiculously, delusional christians are. You are a portrait of the gullible and ignorant that christianity gorges itself on.

Your inadequate command of diction, suggests you are either a child or incompetent or just down right stupid -- or all the above. This coupled with your infantile world-view and silly superstitions, only, reinforces the argument that a god does not exist -- for if he does exist, he picks the most inarticulate, mentally deficient assholes, to spread his stupid-ass word.

Good job Ace, you solidified our aversion to christianity.

Now don't let the door hit your ass, on the way out, OK, douche-nozzle?

--S.

AtheistToothFairy · 1 year ago

Ace: I know the Bible wasnt written by God it was written by his apostles

Ace,
Written by the apostles?
You mean those men that were rumored to have walked along side of jesus while he was still alive?

Do you have proof that it was these very apostles that actually wrote the gospels, versus, the more common thinking that it was anonymous authors who wrote these gospels many decades later?

ATF (Who wonders what bible school Ace attended to learn this)

boomSLANG · 1 year ago

"Ace": I know the Bible wasnt written by God it was written by his apostles which were the men[*EDIT]

* it's irrelevent what "kind" of "men" they were.

So, if the bible was written by "men", then it wasn't written by "God". Thus, the best you've got to offer is that the bible is man's written interpretation of "God". Say it with me--INTERPRETATION. Add to this prone-to-error fact, that the reader must also interpret the interpretation. This, even on your dumbest day, should be all the evidence that you need, to know that no Perfect, All-knowing Being would use such a haphazard, careless, untrustworthy method for delineating its wishes, especially when the 'stakes' are presumably so high.

"Ace".... you're entitled to your own opinion im just trying to spread the Word

Yes, uh huh. Welp, until/unless you can provide convincing evidence that "the Word" is the "Word" of a "God", then you may as well be spreading cat sh*t on everyone's door handles. And gawd knows, that's not very useful at all.

"Ace" closes with the Christian Cornerstone.. ...if you choose to believe me and get saved then you'll be saved from an eternity in hell

No one's going to "hell"; no one's going to "heaven". Notwithstanding, likewise, you have "a choice" of whether to stay grounded in your superstitious land of delusion, or not.

May reason find you.

angela · 1 year ago

I don't think the apostles wrote the bible because they were too busy masturbating.

yudi · 1 year ago

I'm a yanking doodle daandee....rounding up some new recruits for the tadpole rodeo. Tugging the ol' tapioca tube if you know what I mean. Now and again I've even been known to engage in a little hand- to -gland combat with Willy the one-eyed purple helmet wearing warrior wonder weasel. Jackin' the beanstalk as I doodle my noodle. Now please excuse me while I answer the bone-a-phone.

Stupid-ass fundies. You better feel guilty or we'll give you something to feel guilty about. It's like they try to make you sick in order to sell a remedy for the problems that they've helped others create for themselves in the first place.

morningguy · 1 year ago

Yudi, I've read your post several times and I'm still laughing. I don't think I ever
heard so many metaphors for masturbation in all my life. Well Done!

Oh, and a tip for you teenage fundies who are considering this practice: Better
do it now while you're young. Once you get into middle age, it ain't as effortless
as it used to be.

(Ringo Starr in the background singing "It Don't Come Easy").

Lohitaksha · 1 year ago

There was a time, before the discovery of the human female ovum, when it was believed that the male semen carried minuscule human entities, to be implanted into the passive female receptacle. Accordingly, spilling ones semen outside the womb constituted murder of at least one such entity.
Thomas Aquinas considered masturbation a greater sin than anal intercourse or bestiality.
We know better now, but the old prejudices continue. Now LUST is touted as the deity-offending sin.

anonymous · 1 year ago

what i think.as christian young people what else is there to do? its true we all love the lord but at times we must be realistic. if u do nothing about the hormones, it will destroy you after a while. I think it also helps to release pressure, but acknowledging that it is sin, it gives more pressure. i dont know. but, life is that way. so, mayb we should continually go through the blood to obtain forgiveness for our acts, when we fall into this particular sin. CONTINUALLY.

the Word spreader · 1 year ago

Here's the thing: if you're a Christian (like me) and you think God "hates" you or something cuz you do it, then you need to refresh your mind with the fact that HE LOVES YOU THE WAY YOU ARE!!!!!! Sure, you may feel guilt afterwards, but try your best to measure your CIRCUMSTANCES. Complete substituting yourself OVER a partner, doing it for LUST and not for relief of temptations, emotions, (etc.)......... these are the things you i recommend you go to the Bible for counseling. Yes, the topic of masturbation is rarely mentioned (at all maybe), and the world may say its wrong in general, but the truth is it cleanses you of guilty sexual desires, so you can redirect your mind on better godly things. What God thinks of it - I don't know. But I still do it. Or, you can think of doing it for your health.... Just sayin.
-------just another 12-year-old boy

morningguy · 1 year ago

Who created me? Why, my parents of course. Ace, you come across as a semi-
literate moron, but I thought even someone as lost in fanstasy as you are would
know about sexual reproduction. Oh, wait, Mommy and Daddy don't want you
to know about that yet?

Who created everything? I really don't know, but the idea that some big invisable
man belched, sneezed, or farted and suddenly everything just sprang into view
is the height of ridiculousness, at least for someone with an IQ over 10.

Get a clue. This is Ex-Christian.net, got it? Everyone on this website has read the
Bible,probably more times than you have.

And Apolloyon or Red Dragon? Good Grief, what kind of drugs are you on? Even the
thickest of fundies never came up with that one before.

Ace · 1 year ago

those are names for the devil apolloyon is greek red dragon is another name its in the Bible if not in the english then its in a Bible with Greek in it (I forgot where Red Dragon came from) but its a name though look im just trying to spread the Word to you dont be so stupid and God created you your parents brought you into the world

Monkeys · 1 year ago

Don't be stupid Ace, Zeus created you and magic storks delivered you into the womb of yourmother - your mother was just the pipe in which you came out into the world. But they had to do the sex thing earleir to signal the stork to come down.

LOL!

Ace is great at arguing from both ends of his pipe

AtheistToothFairy · 1 year ago

Monkeys: But they had to do the sex thing earlier to signal the stork to come down

Monkeys,
I guess that would explain that ummm odd looking "flagpole", signaling the stork then huh?

ATF (Who wonders what "flag" one is suppose to fly, during this stroking, errr, stork-ing event?)

buffettphan · 1 year ago

Acehole,

Don't come to our site yelling, calling us stupid, and acting like the typical rude, ignorant fundybot christian you so obviously are. Maybe you'll understand this message, my all-time favorite two-second video - (it's definitely worth the click to check it out!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PaHcZUHI00

Astreja · 1 year ago

Ace: "honestly I dont know how but I know hes real because lives are changed..."

Saved by their own imaginations, kid.

"...its my job to spread the info about Christ and I just want to spread it with you all..."

Ace, this is a site for EX-Christians. You are not telling us anything new. We've been there, done that. To us, your precious God and Jesus and Bible are fiction and we have no interest in being "saved".

Please try to understand this: Your religion has caused pain in our lives and we are not going back. Some of us -- Myself included -- would be overjoyed if Christianity simply ceased to exist, because we see it as a deleterious element in human society.

If you don't want to look like any more of a fool, and don't want to be placed in the position of losing your own beliefs, please stop posting here. Among our numbers are scholars and ex-pastors who have read the Bible from cover to cover more than once. Collectively, we have thousands of years of Christian experience. Anything you try to "prove" to us will easily be debunked.

And don't bother telling us how your own life was "changed" by your Magic Sky Fairy... We simply don't care, because we don't know you in real life and you won't be able to convince us that you didn't imagine the whole thing.

WhateverLolaWants · 1 year ago

Isn't it funny how this article has way more random teen boys posting on it than any others? Poor kids are Googling "masturbation god" or something and finding us. Well, welcome! Stick around and read more of our articles... resist the urge to comment for a few days, though. Just let it soak in first.

buffettphan · 1 year ago

"...Poor kids are Googling "masturbation god" or something and finding us. Well, welcome!..."

Speaking christianese, it must be god working in those mysterious ways of his............
;-)

WhateverLolaWants · 1 year ago

lol! God... and not Google. :)

AtheistToothFairy · 1 year ago

WhateverLolaWants: Poor kids are Googling "masturbation god

I think the big mystery has now been solved by you.

Heck, I didn't know god masturbated, but if that's true, then that would explain why he felt the need to hide himself away from us....SHAME SHAME SHAME.

ATF (Who wonders just how many thousand years it takes god to finish his 'private time' and call on us again?)

glebealyth · 2 months ago

So there IS a god of masturbation, after all?!

I always suspected as much.

Anonymous Christian · 1 year ago

I was searching for a Christian article about masturbation and whether it was right or wrong. The Christian article you have posted on the top was greatly encouraging to me that sex is something best done with your wife. I realize this wasn't the point of you posting this article but thanks all the same.

Monkeys · 1 year ago

Yes and reading the Bible helped me to realise that it was merely a human endeavour disguised as a divine one.

I realize this wasn't the point of the Bible but thanks to the Bible from freeing me from superstition all the same.

:)

blue balls · 1 year ago

Sure one can consider masturbation a natural thing to do. Its just as natural as over eating or complaining. They are natural tendencies that have been instilled in us since we were children.

That doesn't mean its healthy though! Its not as if God gives us more than we can handle. I love my friends who defend masturbation because 'its better than actually doin it!'. In the words of the great preacher Spurgeon "Of the two evils, choose neither".

If we want to do what is ACTUALLY healthy for us, we can by god's power. God's laws are utterly logical and the most correct thing in this universe, we just can't see the big picture so they seem dumb at the time.

Masturbation may be a fun leisurely thing to do whenever your bored. But it is not healthy, its an addictive time waster. And believe me, all the images created by that 'wonderful imagination' stick with you for years afterward by the smallest stimulus.

Its not what god wants.

Stronger_Now · 1 year ago

"That doesn't mean its healthy though!"

Actually studies show that men who masterbate at least five times a week have a lower rate of prostate cancer. So it IS healthier.

"Its not as if God gives us more than we can handle."

Assumeing the premiss. Show the evidence that a god exists, then show how YOU know what it wants before making such a claim.

Also, even if....IF...a god exists he has certainly given some people more than they can handle.

"God's laws are utterly logical and the most correct thing in this universe, we just can't see the big picture so they seem dumb at the time."

No. They seemed dumb at the time and they still seem dumb now. It's most likely due to the fact that some of them are dumb or cruel and stupid...and did I mention they're dumb? And this "god" you speak of...do you have any credible evidence for it's existence?

"Masturbation may be a fun leisurely thing to do whenever your bored. But it is not healthy, its an addictive time waster."

Not really. As most people don't have an addiction to it in the clinical sense and it is healthy and normal. Just because you claim your imaginary friend gets all upset watching us do it doesn't give us any real evidence against it.

" And believe me..."

No... you seem to be suffering from a strong delusion. Your imaginary friend doesn't exist in objective reality so I don't think it's wise to take advice from someone who doesn't know the difference between fantasy/myth and reality. Seek help post haste!

bdp · 1 year ago

"If we want to do what is ACTUALLY healthy for us, we can by god's power..."

WHAT power?

AtheistToothFairy · 1 year ago

blue balls: And believe me, all the images created by that 'wonderful imagination' stick with you for years afterward by the smallest stimulus.

Besides you being totally off-the-wall in the rest of your post, would you mind explaining what this line is suppose to mean?

I'd sure rather have images from something connected with masturbation floating around in my head "for years afterward", than ANY image/thought of your wacko god clogging up my mind.

Its not what god wants

Actually, the deep down truth here, is, that it's not what **YOU** want, as god only exists within your own mind.

Why are you xtians so afraid of human sexuality and it's natural outlets?

Many fundies abstain from anything sexual until their bodies force them to take some action, and many times that action is immoral or even illegal.


ATF (Who can't believe that fundies even question such a natural human outlet)

tom · 1 year ago

Basic
Instructions
Before
Leaving
Earth

penisland · 11 months ago

Learn to spell goddamn it! Its spelt masturbating, not masterbating!

TheAntiChristian · 2 months ago

Penisland,
Not unless you're really good at it. ;)

buffettphan · 11 months ago

For all you curious, anxious, worried, guilt-ridden xtians out there, you may now rest easier. Your God, through his Holy Bible, says that masturbation is okay. Check out the following website, Sex in Christ - Sexuality According to the Word of God has articles on various sexual topics, including masturbation.

BTW, in case inquiring minds want to know, God also approves of threesomes too---just as long as they're mff.

http://sexinchrist.com/masturbation.html

morningguy · 11 months ago

Here's one for Tom:

Baloney
In
Big
Loads
Everyday

paul · 9 months ago

I'm well confused is onanism right or wrong? I think onanism is an obsession and in the eyes of God as I understand it, obsessions of any kind is not good for my inner soul because it blocks the channel of communication to my God as I understand it. If I let go of all my obsessions truly, I live and love life to the full and I have faith in God that God will gives me what I need in life not what I want or what I obsess about.................... end of....

Thackerie · 9 months ago

If by "onanism" you mean masturbation, you're in luck and can give yourself a hand because the bible doesn't say one word about it either way. The sin of Onan was withdrawing his penis from his dead brother's wife during intercourse and "spilling his seed upon the ground" and thereby depriving her of becoming pregnant with a child in the same bloodline as her late husband.

Apparently, it was a custom among the ancient Hebrews at one time to require men whose brothers had died to fertilize the widow (usually after marriage). However, as with most things in the bible, you can find contradictory verses saying that this practice is an "abomination."

Anyway, thinking that the sin of Onan is masturbation is a common fallacy. It is often engaged in by people so simple minded as to think that the all-powerful, all-knowing creator all that is would give a damn about what insignificant human beings, on a little planet in a tiny galaxy among the 125 billion galaxies in the universe, do with their genitalia. The idea is absurd.

Oh, BTW, did you realize that you are posting on a blog almost 7 years old? I doubt that you'll get a response from any of the original participants.

AtheistToothFairy · 9 months ago

paul: ...obsessions of any kind is not good for my inner soul because it blocks the channel of communication to my God as I understand it...

Paul,

Isn't is funny how many xtians believe that anything 'earthly' that distracts one from worshipping god, is wrong.
Could it be that the writers of the bible knew that if one were to gain too much earthly knowledge, that they would quickly realize that the bible was nothing but BS.

Also, if one is distracted by sexual things, then one would give less attention to this bible god and it's earthly churches.

These writers were great con-men, no doubt about that.

Any obsession/addiction when taking to an extreme, is usually bad for us.
That has nothing to do with any gods, just facts.

If you are polishing the one-eyed-monster several times a day, then I'd say you are a bit obsessed and need another hobby.
However, there just is nothing wrong with pleasuring yourself now and then, so don't let the bible fill you with guilt over your OWN body.
Your body belongs to you and only you, not any gods, nor is it a 'temple' for any gods.

ATF (Who thinks moderation in everything, is the key to a healthy long life)

daytripper1964 · 9 months ago

"ATF (Who thinks moderation in everything, is the key to a healthy long life)"

these are words to live by

daytripper

Eggg · 9 months ago

*touches himself in the corner*

Unknown · 8 months ago

Wow after reading some of this, you people are sick. I dont want to masterbate, but I do due to the fact I cant control it, yet. But I am working towards that goal of the Holy Spirit guiding me to stop. I trust that eventually I will because sex can become a god if you arent careful. To those that dont know God you will never understand what anything means in The Bible until you are saved. Until you turn away from your sins and trust in Jesus. I still sin, but I am working towards a goal each day in my walk with Jesus. Lord please forgive me for lusting. Please, if you are reading this, sex isnt the answer to your frustrations.

sconnor · 8 months ago

unknown

I dont want to masterbate, but I do due to the fact I cant control it, yet. But I am working towards that goal of the Holy Spirit guiding me to stop.

Why -- is the holy spirit going to give you a blow job instead?

--S.

Lampie van der nest · 7 months ago

i think it is wrong because : god gave some one to mack medicine ,but that person made coc or meth ,in the bible it say dont do drugs , and same goes for masturbation .

Matt · 7 months ago

If you're not hurting anyone or yourself, then why is it anyones business?

And why is thier christians on ex-christians? I think your on here for more reasons then just "God". Maybe it makes you feel good inside when you try to pass on the bible disease..

Brandon Corral · 6 months ago

Wow, how dare you guys! You all should be ashamed. Why do you even talk about this stuff? Are you not mature enough to leave it alone? Why can't you guys leave Christians alone? What is it that makes you hellbent on destroying Christianity as we know it? Don't ever try to make fun or criticise something that none of you know anything about. Wait until Judgment Day! You'll see. I can imagine you were great christians earlier, but now you go to hate god? I'm saddened. I really feel for you guys. But honestly, no need to go after us Christians. I mean, what have we done to you?

PhucWadGawd · 5 months ago

How dare YOU, Brandon? We do leave you alone; we don't go barging in where you Christians gather to tell you how stupid your beliefs are. You came to an ex-Christian website.

"Don't ever try to make fun or criticise something that none of you know anything about."

If you could get anything through your puny, little, god-befuddled brain, you would know that we understand Christianity very well. You are amongst ex-pastors, preachers, missionaries, Bible study teachers, long-time church-goers, evangelicals, etc. We understand exactly what we reject: Christianity and the gospel.

"Wait until Judgment Day! You'll see."

There is no judgment day, and no one will see -- not even you. You will die like everyone else and your consciousness will end. You will have waited a lifetime for something that never comes, and you will die without knowing. You will go to the grave utterly stupid.

"I can imagine you were great christians earlier, but now you go to hate god?"

How can we hate someone who doesn't exist? You assume that we turned our backs on him. If we thought there was a god to hate/turn our backs on, we'd have a belief in such a being. As such, there is no Bible God to be the object of our supposed "hate".

"But honestly, no need to go after us Christians. I mean, what have we done to you?

Once again, Brandon. We didn't go after you. You came after us; you are intruding on an ex-Christian website. De-conversion is a difficult process. Think about how you would feel to lose your faith and to realize that you've believed a lie for a very long time. You'd be devastated. We're here to support one another, and we -- at least I -- will go after anyone who comes here to make it harder than it already is.

Name · 5 months ago

Just felt like chiming in to reinforce what my other brothers/sisters in Christ have said. Yeah, sure, the atheist people will jump right at me, and twist everything I say. However, I know in whom my faith is: and I know the truth. In John 8:32 it says, And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

It is quite clear that the act of masturbation is wrong. Again, most of you will argue me to death on this; nonetheless, I will go on. First off the main issue is lust, which it is IMPOSSIBLE to masturbate without. Jesus said if you even look at a woman to lust for her, you have committed adultery already in your heart. Lust just keeps growing and growing as you continue the act, and you want more and more each time. As that is simply not healthy at all, nor is it Godly. And anyone that says they have no lust whatsoever is lying through their teeth.

Secondly, you are partaking in a "sexual act", therefore it is essentially sex. Okay, go ahead, call it whatever you want — self-gratification, pleasuring, whatever. But it's still the same. God designed sex to be enjoyed by a husband and a wife, within a marriage, and to create off-spring; not for such a thing as masturbation.

Sure, masturbation can temporary relieve stress, but in the long run, it does you really no good. In my opinion, it just becomes an addiction (often paired with pornography), and creates an obsessive desire for it.

Lastly, I just want to say that God wants us to honour our bodies, as he lives inside of us (Christians). 1 Corinthians 6:19 says, What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? We are not our own, we were bought with a price! Christ died for us, and therefore we present ourselves as living sacrifices, holy and acceptable unto him, which is our reasonable service! God wants us to stay pure for our future mate, and honour him with the way we treat our body.

Ultimately, the way to resist the temptation to masturbate is controlling your thoughts. Avoid pictures/web sites that cause you to have lustful thoughts, and maybe even play some music while surfing the internet. Have a plan, and keep your mind busy with other things. Keep close friends around, and spend time with them. As the saying goes, "an idle mind is the devil's workshop". This all helps to keep your thoughts on pure things. Philippians 4:8 reads: Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Remember, God loves us and wants the best for us. He wants us to live a blessed life on this earth. One thing I want to say is that if you have engaged in the activity being discussed, you can always ask the Lord for forgiveness. The bible says he is faithful and just to forgive us, and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Thanks for hearing me out. Hopefully some people will get something from this.

God bless.

PhucWadGawd · 5 months ago

"It is quite clear that the act of masturbation is wrong."

No, Name, masturbation is awesome. In fact, I'm doing it right now. Good thing I can type really fast with one free hand. Also, I'm hot and sexy. Can you picture it? Are you lusting now, Name? I hope you're getting something out of this.

Thanks for the Bible verses. I've read them all before. They're quite stupid. Go ahead and save yourself for The One. Your virginity is like a new car, but the longer it sits on the lot, the less likely it is anyone will want it -- especially if it's decades past its "sell by" date.

Cheers!

cipher · 5 months ago

Name, you've allowed them to sell you a bill of goods. It's a normal, healthy part of being human. Even some of the "big names" from your own camp - such as Dr. Dobson - no longer think masturbation is a big deal.

Something isn't true just because your pastor says it is.

B · 5 months ago

Alright, question. I know it's a little off topic, but as Name said:

"God designed sex to be enjoyed by a husband and a wife, within a marriage, and to create off-spring; not for such a thing as masturbation."

So.. if two Christians within the boundaries of marriage have sex with a condom, is that considered "spilling the seed" as Onan did and therefore a 'sin'? They obviously aren't having sex to create offspring if they are using a condom, likewise ANY form of birth control.

But back to masturbation here, what if a husband and wife within the boundaries of marriage mutually masturbate in the presence of one another? What if a woman stimulates herself while being penetrated by her husband? What if a man is having erection problems during sex and stimulates himself to regain his erection?

There's just so many things that are not answered in the Bible, not to mention almost everything in the Bible can be interpreted differently by different people. The argument that it is wrong "because the Bible says so" is null. We have to remember that the Bible was written by PEOPLE, and also that the Bible has gone through so many translations over the years (again by people) that there is no way to tell if the Bible has stayed true to what it originally was (not to mention the differences in language throughout the years, try reading a book from 100+ years ago and see if you understand it without using footnotes). Sorry but I don't trust the advice of people over thousands of years to tell me how to live my life. I think all one has to do is look back into the Church throughout the ages to see the corruption.. obviously it would be silly to think that the corruption hasn't spread to the Bible as well.

AtheistToothFairy · 5 months ago

"B",

If you would just realize that there is no god spying on you, then maybe you could start to heal-thyself of these sexual guilt feelings that plaque you.

If god were real and he didn't want any man to "spill their seed outside of procreation", then he wouldn't have designed our bodies so that this function could work, for just fun purposes alone.

You'll feel so free, so much better, once you realize the bible god is imaginary.


As far as women masturbating goes......
It's always a sin for a woman to enjoy sex, especially if her enjoyment is not directly caused by a 'man'.
If you believe this, then I'm afraid no one here can help you !

GOD IS SILLY

ATF

B · 5 months ago

In response to ATF, sorry if my post was a little confusing, but I'm NOT a Christian. I was just asking the person who posted under the alias of "Name" if they could come up with an answer to my 'what if' questions. I think if you read my post again you will see that... Just wanted to clarify that with you.

Astreja · 5 months ago

Name: "It is quite clear that the act of masturbation is wrong."

You're quite wrong about that, Name. Masturbation is a natural part of sexuality.

"First off the main issue is lust, which it is IMPOSSIBLE to masturbate without."

Wrong about that too, name. It is possible to masturbate without lust, and furthermore, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with lust itself. It only becomes a problem if acting upon that lust causes harm to yourself or another person.

"Jesus said..."

And why should we care about your imaginary friend and its fictional opinions?

"God designed sex to be enjoyed by a husband and a wife, within a marriage, and to create off-spring; not for such a thing as masturbation."

False. Your god is unproven, and until you provide evidence that it actually exists, it's safe to say that it didn't "design" anything.

"Lastly, I just want to say blah blah blah..."

*Ahem* You do know that this is an EX-Christian site, do you not?

hannahx3 · 3 months ago

Why would you post pronographic pictures in this? Oh masturbation is wrong...but so is naked pictures for the world! And half of the disgusting things you've said in parenthesis! Definately uncalled for. What is a 13 year old boy came to this site? What if that boy had never seen a woman in that way? You've practically ruined his mind. If you are truely a Christian you would not accept the fact you posted trash in this. Way to make the Christian population in our country look descent.
I have no comment on the masturbation thing though. I believe it is wrong...maybe not masturbation itself, but lust is. And masturbation is lust in itself. I do apologize for being harsh, but there is no reason at all to put nude pictures and actually moving pictures of a man masturbating. This should be a "Christian" blog, not a "porn" blog. I will pray for you.

juan_marco · 3 months ago

hannahx3:"Why would you post pronographic pictures in this?"

Good question. Here is another; why not?

hannahx3:"You've practically ruined his mind."

Counting yours, that makes two. Two ruined minds.

hannahx3:"This should be a "Christian" blog."

You have absolutely no idea where the hell you are, do you?

sconnor · 3 months ago

hannahx3

I do apologize for being harsh, but there is no reason at all to put nude pictures and actually moving pictures of a man masturbating. This should be a "Christian" blog, not a "porn" blog. I will pray for you.

...she said, as she pulled her hand from her moist fragrant flower of ecstasy, as her legs trembled and the waves of orgasmic bliss rocked her body.

--S.

AtheistToothFairy · 3 months ago

hannahx3,

Well-CUM to the EX-Xtian Holy Masturbation Website.

For today's delight, we are showing an XXX film called, When Jesus "Comes", while Mary Magdalene offers her ASSistance in this fine film production.

This film was shot in the early morning, as Jesus was an early RISER

We'd like to thank the more well-known supporting STAFF for their HARD work:

1. Dick Jones
2. Rod Sterling
3. Pussy Galore

Being dedicated to this cause, we'll keep you ABREAST of any future films in the making.

We are now trying to get into the foreign markets now and are looking for a "cunning linguist".
Know any?

So please, cum back to visit us, and remember, there's no sense in going out half-cocked

ATF (Who always LOL at the names of the James Bond girls)

morningguy · 3 months ago

Well, here it is again. The typical Xian horror at anything involving human
sexuality.

What if a 13-year-old boy came to this site, and had never seen a woman in that way? Well damn it lady, he's 13. Don't you think its
about time he did?

Yes, I know, sex is evil and sex is dirty because a bunch of superstitious,
ignorant Mideast tribesman said so several thousand years ago.

Remember what Masters and Johnson said about men and masturbation?
Ninety percent will admit to it, and the other ten percent are liars!

Please go back to your nice, clean Xian Disneyland and stay there. You
and reality don't seem to get along too well.

keppy · 3 months ago

In reply to this article: http://www.domini.org/centerweb/mastb.html

I wrote a big reply to this and was annoyed. I read yours and feel better.

STill there comments system didnt work so I thought id paste my thoughts about wanking and god below:

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http://www.domini.org/centerweb/mastb.html

Its things like this that show the ludicrous idea of god. So this means no one in the world is meant to wank? You do realise it released chemicals in the brain of men, which has a calming effect? So a lot of men would be rather bad tempered. But the biggest problem is if you cannot wank over anyone youre not married to then you never wank then? Ever? Its nothing to do with self control its about instinct, instinct to mate. You ask to go against your very nature, and if going against nature is right then how can this be? How does that make any sense with god, if he is nature. It doesn't. It shows that most people who believe in god never really listen or dare listen to facts. They have a cloud in their head to mask the reality of life.

You might also realise that through masterbation man relieves himself. In case you havent noticed a lot of men go to hookers. So if every single man stopped wanking what do you think would happen? If anything, wanking is a great idea it might just stop people getting too lustful, ie rapists and people going to hookers and regretting it.

The fact is nature asks us constantly to reproduce. You say go against your very essence, your fundemental aspects of being a human. God or otherwise it makes no sense on any level. The only level it makes sense on is people not in reality, and those people believe in god as you know it in the bible.

You should promote wanking, imagine if no one did. The world would be worse. You know what would be better? No desire to have sex. Although that would mean the end of the human race. So by your terms if no one fell in love, thats the end of humanity. How many flaws does your book need to remove your masked mind.

Good luck. Believe in good.

keppy · 3 months ago

great article!

I wanted to reply to a bad one: http://www.domini.org/centerweb/mastb.html

But there comments are broke, so i was pleased to read yours. Here are my crap thoughts below:



Its things like this that show the ludicrous idea of god. So this means no one in the world is meant to wank? You do realise it released chemicals in the brain of men, which has a calming effect? So a lot of men would be rather bad tempered. But the biggest problem is if you cannot wank over anyone youre not married to then you never wank then? Ever? Its nothing to do with self control its about instinct, instinct to mate. You ask to go against your very nature, and if going against nature is right then how can this be? How does that make any sense with god, if he is nature. It doesn't. It shows that most people who believe in god never really listen or dare listen to facts. They have a cloud in their head to mask the reality of life.

You might also realise that through masterbation man relieves himself. In case you havent noticed a lot of men go to hookers. So if every single man stopped wanking what do you think would happen? If anything, wanking is a great idea it might just stop people getting too lustful, ie rapists and people going to hookers and regretting it.

The fact is nature asks us constantly to reproduce. You say go against your very essence, your fundemental aspects of being a human. God or otherwise it makes no sense on any level. The only level it makes sense on is people not in reality, and those people believe in god as you know it in the bible.

You should promote wanking, imagine if no one did. The world would be worse. You know what would be better? No desire to have sex. Although that would mean the end of the human race. So by your terms if no one fell in love, thats the end of humanity. How many flaws does your book need to remove your masked mind.

Good luck. Believe in good.

louisamay · 3 months ago

I am a Christian but if masturbation is a sin well than I guess i'm going to hell, where do these misguided bible spewing morons come from anyways...they make the entire religion look like retarded cult followers.

My main problem is that no one will think for themselves...use reason, masturbation does not harm anyone, in fact it is PLEASURABLE, so God hates harmless fun? In fact masturbation lessens my daily lust because I'm not so stupidly repressed, without it I probably would have given up the religion got onto drugs and would be having mindless rabbit like sex right now.

Which sounds kinda fun, but hey thats where my Christianity butts in and says 'thats wrong', besides it was entirely possible that Mary wasn't a virgin, the world wasn't made in seven days and well people who take the bible too literally deserve a smack in the face. Do you know why? People are making arguements for INCORRECT TRANSLATIONS.

Try this on for size,

The hebrew word for the creation does not translate correctly into what we use now in the bible the closest it would be in hebrew would be 'seven periods of time' not days, suck it. Ever notice the creation story follows the path of evolution, try Darwin and mix in the religion and thousands of years and hey ho we have a scientifically viable creation.

The word for mary was not in fact maiden, which implies virginity, but maid which could have just been the word for girl. And I mean she was pretty young so hell the whole Catholic following should be cringing right now.

But I digress, my point is masturbation is not even mentioned, if Christians screw up the information we already have, I'm sorry if I would rather make my own moral decisions I guess i'm just crazy that way.

Another point is that I'm a girl, I don't think females are mentioned but then again neither are lesbians, maybe we do win from thousands of years of sexism! And gosh I am do anti-christian right now, I do love my God, by a majority of his followers need a reality check, you are essentially following a school of thought that belongs in infant school. Monkey say monkey do.

Don't patronise the non-believers on this site, they have a right to their own opinion, I think God would rather people think for themselves that follow blindly, hello free will anybody! In fact I find all their arguments more reasoned and believable, maybe I am a bad Christian, but I suppose that is for God to decide.

I used to feel guilty and still do sometimes, but hey I'm going with Freud, society and my parents have well screwed me over (figuratively).

Peace out, have fun and carry on holding up your side of the arguement whatever that may be!

peter · 3 months ago

"My main problem is that no one will think for themselves...use reason,[...]"
That is indeed the main problem. Once people would start to think for themselves and be honest with themselves as to why they (want to) believe, there would be a lot less christians.

"But I digress, my point is masturbation is not even mentioned, if Christians screw up the information we already have, I'm sorry if I would rather make my own moral decisions I guess i'm just crazy that way."

Your bible disagrees; I'm not talking of that silly story of Onan, how that can be interpreted to be dealing with masturbation is beyond me. It deals with an entirely different topic, having intercourse with a woman without wanting her to become pregnant. But based on other things in biblebook, it can be argued that masturbation is 'of the flesh', as opposed to 'of the spirit'. Anything that's of the flesh is of satan. Also, masturbation is closely related to lust and satisfying lust. Lust was one the major sins, last time I read the bible.

Don't get me wrong, I see nothing wrong with masturbation myself. But from a christian point of view, it can clearly be argued to be a no-no, using bible examples.

"Don't patronise the non-believers on this site, they have a right to their own opinion,"

Err... somehow I think you haven't fully grasped the essence of this site. There are no christians here, apart from a few trolls (and probably a whole bunch of christians who quietly read in the background, trying to answer their own questions about their religion, or still sitting on the fence or even afraid of coming out of the closet).

But it's good to know you think we're entitled to our own opinions too. I suppose some of your fellow religious people wouldn't even allow that, if it was within their control.

"God would rather people think for themselves that follow blindly"
You may want to read up a bit on your bible; Adam and Eve had a different experience. So did Jonah. Or Abraham, as he blindly obeyed biblegod and prepared for slitting his son's throat.

You sound smart enough - I strongly recommend reading the bible, cover-to-cover, and draw your own conclusions. Your parents or minister can't be opposed to you studying the bible, can they? Soon you'll find you'll know a lot more about their religion and holy book than themselves. I'm an atheist who has read the bible cover-to-cover 3 times; I'm not a christian, but I think I know more about what it says in the bible than the vast majority of christians who only know about the feel-good, happy parts that were dealt with in sunday school or mass.

So, try reading the bible in its entirety - if you're a decent human being you'll be shocked by what you will find there, you'll see that the topics that get dealt with in sunday-morning mass are a tiny selection of the content of that book. A few things: unbelievers should be killed; disobedient children should be killed; homosexuals should be killed. Children are being brutally murdered (innocent babies having their heads dashed in against rocks and trees), women are raped and taken into slavery, etc.etc. All *ordered* by god, not just condoned.

Happy reading...

Peter.

louisamay · 3 months ago

The thing is though I have many problems with the bible, it was written by humans and while by definition to Christians 'the word of God' there are just so many issues that seem to be misunderstood or indeed created, even things mentioned explictly.

' "Don't patronise the non-believers on this site, they have a right to their own opinion," Err... somehow I think you haven't fully grasped the essence of this site. There are no christians here, apart from a few trolls (and probably a whole bunch of christians who quietly read in the background, trying to answer their own questions about their religion, or still sitting on the fence or even afraid of coming out of the closet). '

Yeah that made me sound a little slow, its simple an old issue with me, I spent time on my Churches naughty list for failing to convert a friend and not pushing her too hard. They felt that her beliefs as a wiccan were not as important as theirs, another issue I have with Christianity, she many be defined as a witch but I have met Christians who are much worse people.

The thing is I simply believe in God, irrational and childish maybe, I have thought of million psychological reasons but the belief is still there.

There are alot of power struggles in my church and it remains superficial, my other choice is a group of people who simply question nothing, it is why I am on this site. I feel my beliefs must be challenged, I must consider all possible understandings and beliefs before I can make a rational decision.

As for studying the bible, I am currently taking Philosophy and Ethics, I can see all schools of belief and study in a class of athiests it is refreshing to talk about the bible and interpretations of a God/s in other religions.

'So, try reading the bible in its entirety - if you're a decent human being you'll be shocked by what you will find there, you'll see that the topics that get dealt with in sunday-morning mass are a tiny selection of the content of that book. A few things: unbelievers should be killed; disobedient children should be killed; homosexuals should be killed. Children are being brutally murdered (innocent babies having their heads dashed in against rocks and trees), women are raped and taken into slavery, etc.etc. All *ordered* by god, not just condoned.'

Hence why I have so many issues with other people of my faith, I am considered 'liberal'...try reasonable. However as I mentioned I look at all sides of the story, I know you would probably not appreciate it from me but I commend you for searching into the bible. You have an understanding deeper than most Christians and therefore deserve more respect.

'"God would rather people think for themselves that follow blindly" You may want to read up a bit on your bible; Adam and Eve had a different experience. So did Jonah. Or Abraham, as he blindly obeyed biblegod and prepared for slitting his son's throat.'

This also make me seems ignorant, I am merely wishfully speaking but hey I would rather go to hell anyway that follow the God often shown.

Louisa xx

peter · 3 months ago

Louisa,

I think you will enjoy this site.

Welcome.

Peter.

glebealyth · 3 months ago

Hey, Louisa,

I have to echo Peter, "I think you will enjoy this site."

It can be a bearpit at times and we don't actually take many prisoners, but this site is inhabited by the loveliest, cleverest and most knowledgeable people it has ever been my privilege to meet.

Ask your questions and air your doubts/difficulties. There will always be someone who understands or knows the answer to a technical questions.

Welcome, and prepare for a roler-coaster ride you will never forget.

Peace,

David

louisamay · 3 months ago

Thank you, it is nice to be responded to intelligently, instead of the usual cliches. And it is good to be anonymous so the difficult questions are more easy to ask.

Plus I also find atheists easier to talk to...they make more sense with actual reason!

I don't think I will ever give up my faith, but to challenge it and to know more is to prevent myself from growing stagnant, for me to be content is to understand others and why they believe what they do.

sconnor · 3 months ago

Louisa

The thing is I simply believe in God, irrational and childish maybe, I have thought of million psychological reasons but the belief is still there.

I believe there could be some sort of ultimate reality (an unknowable mystery) and I also believe that there is some sort of afterlife. I just do NOT believe in a personal christian god nor the loony christian doctrines that are based on someones interpretation of spurious scripture. What I completely abhor though, is religionist using the supposed voice of god -- as their own -- to push polluted agendas.

If a "god" exists, our understanding or definition of god would be wholly inferior. A god (an ultimate reality) shouldn't have all the faults of humanity; IT should be far above us at least in equaling the magnitude of the universe. IF there is a god -- IT would have to transcend all thought; IT would have to be something that we can't even begin to imagine, let alone giving IT inept human attributes. Which is I humbly submit, If god exists, I do NOT know god; god is unknowable and christians sure as shit don't know god either!

--S.

louisamay · 3 months ago

There are some days when I take this view myself, there are some days when I see God as the unmoved mover and that is it. But overall I spend most of my time Christian, but I am the minimum, I believe in God and that Jesus was his son (and obviously follow the 10 commandments but that is a general human thing on the whole). If I must follow more than that then I guess I am not a Christian.

'If god exists, I do NOT know god; god is unknowable and christians sure as shit don't know god either!' I agree, another problem I have with Christianity a majority of the time what you are being asked to accept comes from humans, but I will not let this annoyance prevent me from following what I believe. I will go to church and perhaps scoff at some of the thoughts but it is a way in which I try to understand my own beliefs and to dissect what not to follow.

sconnor · 3 months ago

louisamay

But overall I spend most of my time Christian, but I am the minimum, I believe in God and that Jesus was his son (and obviously follow the 10 commandments but that is a general human thing on the whole). If I must follow more than that then I guess I am not a Christian.

Oh -- then you do NOT believe the son of god was resurrected and is the savior of mankind?

And BTW how do you know Jesus was the son of god? How do you know Jesus even existed? How can you trust ANYTHING from the bible? How are you so certain in the things you believe?

(and obviously follow the 10 commandments but that is a general human thing on the whole).

Really? You never said god damn it? Have you misused god's name at anytime?

You NEVER lie?

You never disobeyed your mother and father like every normal child has done?

You never stole something in your entire life? something little maybe?

You never missed a day in your life going to church (the sabbath)? Do you ONLY rest on the sabbath?

Do you wear a cross or do you have a cross hanging at your house or is their a sculpture depicting the crucifixion at your church -- You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth...

...another problem I have with Christianity a majority of the time what you are being asked to accept comes from humans, but I will not let this annoyance prevent me from following what I believe.

A majority?

Uh -- no, that would be 100% of the time, what you are being asked to accept comes from humans.

--S.

louisamay · 3 months ago

sconnor

Yes I believe that, I was just shortening down what I saying, it was no the point I was trying to make.

Why do you believe in science (I am assuming you do)? Molecular science is no more tangible.

I have done those things but I do believe in repentance, no matter how much you may dislike that.

Again, '100% of the time, what you are being asked to accept comes from humans.' it is why it is called belief, that at least the smallest percent comes from something more, you may find me wrong but it is simply what I feel.

darightladiforyou · 3 months ago

I read this article because I thought it was serious. But as I kept reading it sounds like a joke. I really wanted to know if masterbating is wrong and will God forgive me

TheAntiChristian · 2 months ago

Darightladforyou,
Okay, I'm back. I can tell you from first-hand experience that there is nothing wrong with masturbation. I mean, how could it be wrong if it fits in the hand just like a banana?

You're in a sticky situation, and I think you need to get a firm grip on the issue at hand. Stop vacillating and tell your wanker Christian friends to quit being such jerks. Tell them to stop manhandling your mojo and that you can handle your own problems in the privacy of your own bedroom. Oh, yes, keep a box of tissues handy.

I know it'll be hard to get over this problem ... hard, hard, hard!!! But keep it up, and you'll come out on top.

Okay, so much for now. I'm going to wash my hands.

daytripper1964 · 2 months ago

LOL!!

glebealyth · 3 months ago

Friend,

Answer 1:

No, masturbation is NOT wrong.
There is no god.

Answer 2:

Masturbation is not wrong, but the priestly class found it useful to condemn it to ensure their power and income.
Any god that does not forgive you for doing what comes naturally in the body he gave you deserves to be slowly castrated with a very blunt spoon.

Somewhere between those extremes lies the position you are in. You must decide which one you prefer and move toward.

Don't ask this one of celibate priests, as they are too guilty of it to be rational about it.
Don't ask the married priests, they need your money and are biased.
Don't ask god, as his favourite language is silence.

Make up your mind whether punishment for masturbation would be just.

My own take is that to create you with sexual urges and provide you with a personal means of release and condemn you when you use it speaks either of a vindictive, vicious, men-spirited, hateful god or of a god who just does not exist.

You must decide, but you must not feel bad for being human. The only person who has problems with that is god, it would seem.

Peace,

David (who has been, and been called, a wanker in his time.)

TheAntiChristian · 2 months ago

Darightladforyou,
I'm going to take a few minutes here and give it a try. I'll be back shortly.

glebealyth · 2 months ago

And.............................?

;o)))

Zeath · 2 months ago

I felt so werid when i herd that Masterbating is "unholy" as i am relegious though i cant even spell that its just if there is a god and im saying if wouldent it be wise sacrificing your own pleasure for eternal peace in what ever the after life is and common day pornography is every where you dont even have to look for it so i is hard for a such young person like me to resist such strong urges

Thanks... nick

TheAntiChristian · 2 months ago

Zeath,
Wank to your heart's content. You won't be disappointed.

Zeath · 2 months ago

Oh darightladiforyou god is the most forgiving being in the univers apart from normal mums but he can also be very ferocis *look at me i try to use fancy words and it makes it look bad* any way god is very forgiving
so if you want him to forgive you then get down on those knees of yours and pray for forgivness aslong as you dont do it again you should be fine

but for everyone still i am not a priest i am just a kid with lost of time and lots of internet looking up new things


once again Thanks... nick

glebealyth · 2 months ago

Sorry Nick,

You have to prove there is a god BEFORE you can ask anyone to beg forgiveness from him.

Further, you have to prove that the god you are talking about is better than the genocidal, murderous, deranged, guilt-tripping god described in the buybull.

If yo can do neither of these and you still stand by your comments then you are a troll who must get down on his knees and beg forgiveness of the webmaster for your blatant sin of abusing his creation, this website.

Dave is, I suspect, quite a forgiving webmaster and, as long as you promise to try not to commit the sin again, will probably let you stay. If you do not make the promise then you might find yourself cast out into the fiery pits of xian belief.

Peace,

David

TheAntiChristian · 2 months ago

Glebealyth,
You have to talk to these fundies like they're three year olds. Try to stick to one and two syllable words.

Also, avoid complex sentences, as they forget what the first clause said by the time they finish the second.

Lastly, anything over five sentences is a waste. They simply don't have that kind of perseverence.

glebealyth · 2 months ago

Sadly, you are spot on!

Zeath · 2 months ago

I dident under stand most of that glebealyth but can you prove that there isent a God and i was just putting up my belieifs up there and so were you thanks for replying in such a respectful way

once more... thanks nick

P.S its nick no capital did i put a capital in there ? i think not cya xD

TheAntiChristian · 2 months ago

Zeath,
Can you prove that there aren't pink and blue unicorns on Pluto? I bet you can't, can you?

By the way, are you intentionally misspelling just to take the piss out of us?

glebealyth · 2 months ago

Sorry nick, I was taught that proper nouns, and a person's name is one, always begin with a capital letter. ;o))

As TheAntiChristian pointed out to you, your claim that I cannot proof god does not exist is accurate. I cannot prove that unicorns (of whatever colour) do not exist on Pluto either. Is that a good reason for me to believe in them?

Can you prove that Santa Claus does not exist? Of course you can't.
Do you believe in Santa Claus? Oh, you do? You should, because you cannot prove that he does not exist.

David

Zeath · 2 months ago

i cant prove what i dont know...pluss unicorns are white :P

TheAntiChristian · 2 months ago

Zeath,
Would that be a European unicorn or an African unicorn?

peter · 2 months ago

an unladen unicorn....?

;)

Peter.

glebealyth · 2 months ago

winged or earthbound unicorn....?

Astreja · 2 months ago

What about the
Invisible Pink Unicorn (may Her holy hooves never be shod)?

Zeath · 2 months ago

Ok im gonna go away for a while cya everyone thats read my chat or talked with it im gonna play som wow or cs maby some warcraft 3

glebealyth · 2 months ago

Please come back later, nick. I want to hear your answers.

TheAntiChristian · 2 months ago

Zeath,
Yes, do come back. I would like to get some more info on unicorns.

buffettphan · 2 months ago

Advice to those of you who "stumble upon" this article:

If your sex life takes you outside of masturbation, be sure to use a HOLY condom.

http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/08/09/virgin-ma...

BP

TheAntiChristian · 2 months ago

BP,
On the contrary, make sure the condom doesn't have a hole in it.

billybobbibb · 2 months ago

One thing I found fascinating is that during the Victorian era, women who felt a lot of pent-up sexual urges were diagnosed with a condition called Hysteria. These women would seek medical attention from a doctor, who would massage her clitoris until she experience a release known as a "paroxysm" (really, an orgasm). It just blows my mind that doctors would masturbate women under the guise of medical treatment just to avoid the notion that they were somehow "sinning". They had to know what was really going on, didn't they?

Thackerie · 2 months ago

Yes, I saw something about that on the History Channel. Those doctors became very popular and acquired more patients than they could handle (literally), so to avoid straining their hands, an electrical apparatus was invented for the task in the late 1800s — the predecessor of modern vibrators. Of course, at the time, it was referred to as a medical device and if anyone thought of it in sexual terms, shame on them!

mcgill101 · 1 month ago

To the Christians on here, who feel they need to remain Christian, read James Dobson, he is a psychologist that is also a Christian and he says that its okay to masturbate, just try not to break Matthew 5:28. Maybe a contradiction in terms but it is better than nothing to at least try
To the same. you belive that Christianity is true right, ever heard of armenism, it is a interpretation of what people call predestination. IT is where people can lose there salvation
So whos right, and also here is how to become a ex-christian, stop beliving. Kept in the fold via the holy spirit right. How many people here when they were christians belived that they have had encounters with the holy spirit. Not a good way to keep people in the fold. Maybe the Holy Spirit could actually do what it was said to do in John about being a guide and whatnot. there would defintily be less de-converts. There would be less people finding fault in the christian concept of free will and the "arm twisting relationship" with Christ. Hell or relationship, how is that a relationship. I am a firm beliver in it works for ya fine. But you don't have a right to tell me how to think and feel.
Relgion and sexual repression and ignorance can be synonyms for each other
also have you ever christians done any study into the life of christians as a whole group like a country
My study has told me the following
There is a two-four percent higher chance of divorce amoung christian then atheists and agnostic (probably got something to do with how "God" wants marraige to be)
I personall can vouch for my Christian family in regards to this, everybody in my immediate family except one man has been divorced. that one man has a dead marriage in a every since. Yet divorce is a sin unless the cause is infidelity
I can't remeber the numbers this one but
Evangelical Christian raised children have a way larger chance of getting Std's or getting pregnant. That is probably do to the intense indoctrination against such things, (people are naturelly attracted to things they can't have)
The subjection of women in marriage has probably also got something to do with that divorce rate
Like I always say take away God from the morailty of the bible you get immorality or at elast morality that worked for people that wiped there asses with leaves. That alone is cause for question in my opinion.
You decide
I haven't really thought about this one much but I recently just read that there is actually been a study done that found that the more religious someone is the less there IQ is.
I am inclined to belive that to be true, because the most unquestioning, and oftentimes(though it is not exactly any fault of them) are ingnorant to science and history. One my not be able to disprove the resurrection(which being historically provable is a debate in its own right, much less debate on if it has been proven by history in general) but there are many other details like the exodus story which do cast a shadow over the creidibilty of the bible. Gary HAbermas once said that even if the whole bible is false the ressurrection is history proven
I doubt that because of the simply fact that if important detail that are not the resurrection are untrue then it takes the piss out of the gospels because of the claims of Jesus. It also takes the piss out of the doctrine of innerrancy. Which if not true leaves every single sentence up to dispute.

Peter_NL · 1 month ago

To the Christians on here, who feel they need to remain Christian,

Everything you write after this line is irrelevant. There are no christians here.

Bye.

Peter.

mcgill101 · 1 month ago

On the masturbation subject itself, I am awfully suprised how much most christians are willing to take the golden goose and cut of its head
Here is a good way to prevent teenage sex, give them a option to be able to relive desire, without the need for someone else. You get no stds, no pregancies. Yet they say masturbation is a sin, and sex before marriage is a sin
My question is "Really what do you want me to do?"
To me it is insane to say "okay, you have all these sexual desires, that are not bad, but you can't act on them" One it is a contradiction in terms, two how the hell are people supposed to deal with things like that.
I think Christians of all stripe would be better of regardless if they are religious or not if they got there heads out of there ass,and thought maybe instead of asking how to live, asking why to live. Why is it that religion flys in the face of psychology, and the massive accumaltion of knowledge in regards to sexual health. And instead of settling for the answer the bible says so and leaving it at that. Ask why does the bible say that. Maybe its based in culture. I have found that in the study of ancient culture that diffusion(the nice pretty anthroplogical terms for the introduction of new conpets) doesn't work so well if the culture be exposed is happy with what they got, or the concepts just don't work for them and what they understand. It is one of the reasons that Christians got converts the ethics and moriality described in the bible fit the time. For example, here is why the bible doesn't say anything directly about masturbation. everybody and the mother was married at the earliest around 12 to 14, so by the time that puberty kicked in the guys and girls could get as much action as they could. Mastuburation was a silly point to address. Also it is better to marry then burn with sexual desire. Well the same applies, they could easlily and most often did get married aroudn 12-14, so marriage wasn't a outthere option for them unlike youth today. Also marriage was typically a thing of convenience, because often expecially amoung the rich it dealt with property.
It just two of the many example of ethics of the bible that don't work unless we all decide to start wiping are asses with leaves. It is kindoff odd for a allknowing God to use that kind of planning. to endorse ethics that are culturally and temporally easy to follow yet can't be done nowadays

AtheistToothFairy · 1 month ago

mcgill101,
I so wanted to read what you wrote, but my eyes can't handle reading "walls of text" anymore.

You may want to consider sparing our eyeballs in your next post, okay?

ATF

mcgill101 · 1 month ago

Sorry had a Rush Limbaugh moment except my logic is sound

Astreja · 1 month ago

McGill101: "Why is it that religion flies in the face of psychology, and the massive accumulation of knowledge in regards to sexual health?"

Because sex is in direct competition with virtually all religions. It's more difficult to control people if you can't hook into their emotions and their sex drives.

Peter_NL · 1 month ago

"Is masturbation wrong?"

Only if you're a religious wanker.

zeath2 · 1 month ago

im back?

you guys still there?