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Dave8 — Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:50:00 -0000

Thanks WM & BoomSLANG :-) It's great to commune here with you guys, have a great one. Dave8

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boomSLANG — Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:36:00 -0000

Well said, D8....welcome back!

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.:webmaster:. — Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:45:00 -0000

A rousing round of applause goes out to Dave8!

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Dave8 — Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:22:00 -0000

Actually, RH, as a Christian, I didn't do one days charitable work. And, I was still saved by grace, as long as I had faith. Those who were suffering in society were doing so, because they refused to abide by the laws of the bible, and what god expected of them.

Not that I want to get into religious-political economics, as it detracts from the "hell is very hot" topic, but regarding "faith", and charity. The reason "faith based initiatives" are being federally protected and in place, is primarily (in my research), because the religious sector (micro-socialism), hasn't done enough to offset the poverty in states that have low industrial growth margins. Basically, religion (micro-socialism), is the counter-balance to a capitalistic economy where industry is being promoted over the welfare of "other" factors (environmental, etc.)

All political parties promote that underlying micro-socialism current. This administration has not taken an economic hit, based on job market, or poverty margins. It's because they have watered the seeds of local community efforts with federal money, and limited it by using the word "faith", e.g., religion.

The point isn't to show that all political parties promote this micro-socialism, nor is it significant what the current administration's rating are... to me what is striking, is the fact that "religion" and "faith based initiatives" have had to be "prompted" with federal money and incentives, to do what they tout they do as a matter of conscience anyway - charity.

Those who give of their own volition and desire, without having to be prompted with direct monetary benefit are my heroes... not those who use the word "charity", to promote their standard of living. When someone gives of what they have (if even a penny), and it's theirs to give - it's charity... when someone is paid to give - it's a job.

Religion and church have lost sight of the individual in society... because religion believes it is the ultimate source of "good will"... yet... religion is nothing without the people. Religion is marketed as if it can provide more to society, than the sum of its people that make up its congregation (through god's intervention, etc)...

I disagree. The people provide exactly what they are capable of providing, there is no assist in the effort of charity... and if there is... then it's not charity. This "god synergy", has been the bane to humanity since the inception of mandatory servitude to the Christian/Roman Empire.

If you read many of the threads on this site, you see many patterns than can be brought together... but one, that is commonly seen, is the effect that "religion", has had on the "individual"... The effect of forcing the individual to become subservient to the master church and its needs. Just as people enjoy taking care of others, these same people need care as well... Religion has taught and expects their people to sacrifice their human needs, in order to receive a benefit after death.

Charity... seems religion needs to be more "charitable" in its doctrine, theory, philosophy/theology, and application to its "own" people, before attempting to market themselves as charitable people in society. We are transfer agents, in life, RH... and... as humans, we transfer what we hold, if we aren't given care/charity, self-worth, etc., then we are not able to pass that on... and religion has failed in this effort to recognize those needs doctrinally. Thus, charity can't be transferred by those who don't receive that support/care.

There was a thread a while back that suggested that religion eats its own... and this would be the case in the instance of "charity"...

There are many heroes in society, RH. Many just don't choose to expend an inordinate amount of time marketing their deeds - yet religion does, self-vanity. Religion creates more "takers", than "givers", by the very doctrine of salvation in which it is founded upon. Something for free... salvation. It markets on greed. I could write a book on this, or... perhaps, I have... nonetheless, seems like this discussion could go on for hours without end.

In the end, people are more important than religion, but that is not the religious message, and that is why religion is eventually spit out by many people.

If you care to delve into theology/philosophy, by all means, take an approach, I'm quite sure there are many who can accommodate you by providing a counter-point to any argument you make. After all, in the world of rhetoric, one need only change a few characters and include a little vagueness, and the discussion could go on for thousands of years.

The bible is like the Rorschach Ink Blot Test... A psychologist could open that book, and ask a client/Christian to tell you what they see, and the response is nothing more than a self-portrayal of personal (intrinsic/extrinsic) desire(s).

Therapy? When a Christian opens the book, and they see no desires, then they become enlightened, yet, they lose their Christianity. It does take a desire to be free from hell, thus the desire for salvation, and belief in Christ, in order to be Christian, no? Desire, not "charity", is the foundation of Christianity...

To keep to this thread... "Hell" doesn't exist, until someone can assign meaning to the word by material illustration, in an acceptably stable temporal venue. Thus, case closed.

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Anonymous — Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:24:00 -0000

R.H, Jesus said to sell all the things you have and give to the poor.

Have you done this? If not then, be prepeared to roast for all eternity, you can still thank Jesus for this.

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.:webmaster:. — Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:53:00 -0000

My point, RH, is that there are literally thousands of secular charities. To suggest that all charities only exist because of Christianity reflects a profound ignorance. Or, perhaps its more of a stubborn stupidity.

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R. Hoeppner — Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:49:00 -0000

WM:

........haha

Your point is?

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.:webmaster:. — Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:17:00 -0000

RH, you're kidding, right?

Sigh...

Here: Charity Navigator

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R. Hoeppner — Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:06:00 -0000

Dave,
Now should I take your last post in view of the Global Rich list (which I find interesting)that being American makes most of us rich?
As a believer in Christ, every church I've attended has developed individual programs to efficiently aid the poor both domestically and abroad. In fact Christian organizations are known for their charitable giving. Attribute it to Jesus' teaching to ease the burdens of life for the poor.
Then there are these independant Christian organizations established specifically for charity;
Feed The Children
Food For The Hungry
World Emergency Relief
Christian Children's Fund
World Vision etc. etc. etc.
and you get the picture. Of course the Red Cross, Salvation Army and Habitat for Humanity were all started by Christians. Go figure!

Are there any specific humanist charities that you can inform me of? I know there have been huge scandals about mismanagement regarding UNICEF (http://www.ncpa.org/pi/inte.... Of course the UN has had many such scandals as does the United Way; so I won't go there.

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Zinni — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:00:00 -0000

Everyone goes to heaven after they die.

1 Corinthians 15:22 - "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive."

1 Timothy 4:10 - "We trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe."

1 John 2:2 - "He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

Is hell hot? Hell obviously doesn't exist according to the gospel of John, et al. I suppose this is just another paradox, where one has to try and de-conflict the obvious.

Paradox; "Everyone in hell is saved", according to the bible.

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.:webmaster:. — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:18:00 -0000

That's right RH!

Hell is hot, and those who have good things in this life are destined to an agonizing time for all eternity!

That means you, RH! You have good things! You are among the richest people on earth in all of history!

You will definitely be burning in horror as you look across at the poor of the world you ignored so you could argue religion on the Internet in the comfort of your own home -- a home that exceeds the comfort standards that kings lived in, in past centuries.

Yes RH, you are condemned:

Abraham said, 'Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish

You have some choices to make RH. Either continue to live in luxury while others starve, or give your possessions to the poor, and come, follow Jesus.

Find out just how rich you are: Global Rich List

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R. Hoeppner — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:56:00 -0000

Is hell hot? Well I would defer to the Bible if I'm going to question that and as it turns out Jesus gave what must have been a specific account since unlike parables he actually named names.

This following account is found in Luke 16:19-31
"There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried, and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. And he called out, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.' But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.' And he said, 'Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house-- for I have five brothers--so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.' But Abraham said, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.' And he said, 'No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.' He said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.'"

We all have choices to make.

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Nihil — Wed, 27 Dec 2006 12:44:00 -0000

I love posts like this. They make me laugh.

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Billy B. — Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:08:00 -0000

Go away, please.

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Anonymous — Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:30:00 -0000

All of Andrew F's comments are just comments he is repeating from things he heard. If is is driving by out of curiosity he needs to see why atheists are atheists.Andrew if you are reading this I must warn you the truth is not for the faint of heart.

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Anonymous — Sat, 23 Dec 2006 10:29:00 -0000

Andrew F said:

"once youre a saved born again christian, if its real, you cant just give it up. you cant go back on it or deny it because God will make sure he gets you back no matter what that takes."

Andrew, please be informed that only a small portion of the world's Christians think like this. It is not standard Christian doctine. Maybe you think all these billions of other christians are not christians but that does not make them not christian. God is the final judge.

The majority of Christians do not believe in being born again. Thus, they don't have to grapple with the inept idea of becoming unborn, as you obviously do. They believe in converting. Deconverting, or losing membership, are quite possible. Here are some words they use for people like us: apostates, backsliders, exChristians.

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religionkills — Sat, 23 Dec 2006 02:07:00 -0000

Hey spirula, thanks for the link. The first time I ever heard that bullshit logic of the crispies was from a crispie freind who has since died. I railed her ass for saying such a thing. Unfortunately, I have since heard this same bullshit come from other crispies too. Yep, crispies certainly kill...everything in their path. They would probably still be killing all the rest of us 'apostates', like the muzzies do, if they could. OH GAWD! SAVE US FROM YER FOLLOWERS!

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religionkills — Sat, 23 Dec 2006 02:04:00 -0000

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Astreja — Sat, 23 Dec 2006 00:21:00 -0000

What Twincats said. I'm an agnostic pagan, and all I sacrificed tonight was baked goods.

And I suspect that a lot of the "pagans perfomed blood sacrifices" stuff is and was an attempt to demonize the religious competition.

But how can you possibly make heiðinn beliefs more distasteful than nailing a man to a piece of wood?

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twincats — Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:25:00 -0000

Anyonymous Logical Person: Could you please stop associating pagans and blood sacrifice? Sheesh, you're as bad as some of the fundies! I'm a pagan, I know lots of pagans and wiccans, and NONE of us conducts ANY blood sacrifices. Modern pagans really don't need this.

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Anonymous — Fri, 22 Dec 2006 14:19:00 -0000

Hell hath no fury, like a woman scorned!

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Anonymous — Fri, 22 Dec 2006 09:32:00 -0000

Thanks, Lorena. That's sweet. :)

Preston,

It's not about intelligence. It's about acceptance of human nature. Humans are predisposed to believe in weird things - black cats, rabbit feet, mojos, gods, ESP, UFOs, and so on - regardless of how smart we may be (see also here).

Up to 40% of American scientists profess a belief in a personal god. These people are far from being classified as stupid or ignorant. Francis Collins, for example, the leader of the Human Genome Project is a believer. He outlines why this is so in his book, "The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief."

The title of the book is somewhat misleading, in that he gives his reasons for his belief, but does not actually give any positive evidence in support of God's existence. It amounts to what he perceives, not what he can prove (a good, critical review can be read here. Just scroll down - you can't miss it).

It will always be that way. The best anyone can do is be willing to be critical - even of our own thinking - so that we can better grasp a reality that extends beyond the boundaries of our self-absorption.

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preston — Fri, 22 Dec 2006 00:27:00 -0000

yes samuel, i like the way you think. there are so many intelligent people on here. it's a wonder how i haven't given up on the god thing yet.

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Anonymous — Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:42:00 -0000

In the words of the imortal pin head:
"Burn? Oooooo such a limited imagination!"

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forever and ever — Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:18:00 -0000

Warnepiece quote
. It is obvious that most christians who come to this website have spent little time thinking about what they believe and why they believe it.

jesusneverexisted.com
christianism.com

Test all things christians.

or are you fearful?