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Re: From one Minority to another - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Roll — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:13:00 -0000

I know it's going back a bit. But seriously 'Yosemite Sam', that is some of the funniest shit I have ever seen. Top stuff.

Re: From one Minority to another - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Lupis Noctum — Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:29:00 -0000

Charmika, welcome to the site and welcome back to the real world!

It's not surprising at all that American blacks embraced this religion when they were first hauled ashore. If you look at the history of Judaism and its bastard child Christianity, you'll notice that it's a religion created by a people that have historically been oppressed and enslaved since they came out of the desert, namely the Hebrews.

Christianity especially is designed to appeal to anyone who's at the end of their rope in one way or another, and that's certainly the condition of Africans who were hauled to a strange country, forced to labor without pay and who could be beaten, raped, or killed at the whim of any white person.

It's not surprising that the American slaves embraced ANYTHING at that point in time, especially a religion that stressed the total lack of importance of earthly experiences and told one that they'd be rewarded after death as long as they followed a few rules. When one is hanging by a thread, one tends to grasp at any hope, no matter how slim.

You were indoctrinated in it from birth, as were your parents, their parents, all the way back to your original ancestors off the boat.

Ironically, all that praying and it took a man to call off the horror of slavery. No divine intervention like the Hebrews supposedly got...

You, like all other ex-christians, have had the intelligence and courage to break a centuries-long cycle of mental and emotional abuse and stand on your own two feet. That's quite an accomplishment, and you are to be congratulated for it.

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J. C. Samuelson — Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:22:00 -0000

"I worry the children may be severely embarrassed at school when they have to admit to their friends that their father is woman or their mother is man."

You're projecting your own bias onto those children. I grew up with a homosexual father, and I was never embarrassed.

There is no evidence that having homosexual parents has a negative impact on child development. Children grow into well-adjusted adults when in a stable, consistent, healthy loving environment. This is an environment that no state institution can provide. Yet religionists continually seek to deprive children of that most basic need. Why? Because it offends their sensibilities.

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Anonymous — Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:47:00 -0000

I worry the children may be severely embarrassed at school when they have to admit to their friends that their father is woman or their mother is man.

I doubt this is fair for the children...although i understand the homosexuals' desire to adopt children.

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Shannon — Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:23:00 -0000

Um, Anonymous have you seen what heterosexual do to children? I leaning that most children who are in foster care come from completely straight parents. Another opinion of mine is that people who have to ‘work’ to become parents seem to be more conscious of the privilege and responsibility of what parenthood brings than those who birth children merely by the side effect of their lifestyle.

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Anonymous — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:17:00 -0000

I would like to ask about homosexuality. I think it's understandable that adults do whatever they want as long as they don't hurt other people.

But I felt some worry for the children when I heard that some homosexuals wanted to adopt them. I guess that those adoption may hurt the children's development.

What's your opinion on the adoption?

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muttmutt1978 — Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:21:00 -0000

if heaven is full of bigoted arrogant christians i whould rather choose hell hands down no questions asked. as for you fundie punks most of the people that frequent the site are EX christians which means we grew up and past the childish religion that is christianity.

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Lorena — Mon, 10 Jul 2006 02:05:00 -0000

" You know what? The Hell spewing Sam is exactly what the religious leaders are looking for, they are looking for the low IQ bottom feeders to help them spew their ignorant religious propaganda, so they can get more collections in the offering plate."

Yes, and they rationalize it with that verse (where is it?) that says that god chose the worst people to do his work.

Re: From one Minority to another - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Pete — Sat, 08 Jul 2006 21:58:00 -0000

You know what? The Hell spewing Sam is exactly what the religious leaders are looking for, they are looking for the low IQ bottom feeders to help them spew their ignorant religious propaganda, so they can get more collections in the offering plate.

The only place hell exists is in Hello.

Sam you magot breath bird brain, when you discover where Hell is how about coming on here and tell us where it is along with your make believe heaven, you snot-dripping punk.

I'll tell ya where hell is, it's in a bunch of papers bound up together with a bunch of shit for brains writers like Sam, we have to have a bible burning day, how about December 25th, Lets declare December 25th Official Bible and Qur'an Burning Day.

Ok folks gather all the bibles and Korans you can muster, steal them from hotels, libraries, doctors offices, hospitals, gideons, nursing homes, waiting rooms, churches, court rooms, dentists offices, schools, all tracks, chick tracks, cards, stickers, magnets, jewery, t-shirts, hats/caps, anything that has god or jesus on it, billboards, church signs, any religious material, all denominations, effigies, crosses banners, etc.

Lets all for once, have a happy Christless-mas.

Remember December 25th burn all religious materials you can find and burn them, either in private or public.

Send that nonsense bullshit to the hell it wishes on everyone, lets soak that shit with kerosene and watch it go straight to it's own hell, what a wonderful Christless-mas that will be, and continue to do so every year.

Merry Christless-mas everybody!

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GoneNsane — Sat, 08 Jul 2006 20:54:00 -0000

"hell is not a mythical place"

Prove it.

I'll say it again: prove it. Show me evidence of hell, real proof that it isn't something somebody made up and said, "Yeah, it's true!" like the urban legend of people putting AIDS-infected syringes in movie theater seats. Just because somebody wrote it down once doesn't make it true, so your Holey bible doesn't count as solid evidence.

"We (humans) are full of sin. there is not one little bit of us thats not full of sin."

You can believe you're inherently evil if you wish, but do me a favor and don't speak for the group. "Sin" is a crock, and I can tell you for certain that in general, Christians are way more sinful than ex-Christians. Know why? They hate themselves and don't feel they're worthy of anything, so they engage in self-destructive behavior either as self-inflicted punishment or as a means of having some meager way of feeling good for one little instant. Those of us who like being human and accept ourselves are infinitely healthier and more mentally balanced than you self-loathers. Go on, ingratiate yourself to some magic power in the sky, hoping he'll make you feel special and give you something to like about yourself, but good luck with that because God hated Cain for no reason at all so you'll never truly be safe. You're at the mercy of a madman who is jealous, egotistical, irrational and bloodthirsty. Good luck to you.

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Jezelbee — Sat, 08 Jul 2006 07:26:00 -0000

Hey, Sam the Sham, thanks for sending us the love so typical of your religion. But, if you are going to keep coming back here to waste your time and ours with your feeble preaching, could you PLEASE learn how to spell, because it's rather annoying to read through your glaring errors, both philosophical and grammatical.

It's c-H-r-i-s-t-i-a-n.

Oh, and the by the way, among your many other errors, you're also wrong about hell being a lonely place. If your "saviour" is as just an loving as portrayed in the bible, it will be filled with billion of people - all those who don't believe the same crap you profess, apparently.

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Hell Spewing Sam — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 19:27:00 -0000

shell is a mythical place ignore it if you want but if your snot a cristain before you die or the date that jebus comes back you will burp in hell for an eternity. hell wont just be a pig fire spit people get push into and then are burped away by the flames. he'll will be boloney you will be by yourself and Al the time do will burp but NEVER burp it up... so if you feel like going to Al he'll than just keep the same hairstyle you have now im sure you'll be here in no time at the ally.

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Shannon — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 15:04:00 -0000

So Sam, is Jesus going to send all the non-Christians to hell with a smile on his face or is it going to be a little more like this-is-going-hurt-me-more-than-it-hurts-me kind of a thing?

“Too bad ya didn’t love me, eh?” He says as He pitches one more non-Christian into the open pit in the manner of how one pitches a midget in midget bowling.

As He reaches for the next naughty non-Christian, He thinks to Himself. This is a lot more fun than I thought it would be. “Hey Bro! Lucifer, you down there? Catch. This one’s for you!”

He pauses and rolls his shoulders. Man, He says to Himself, this is a real, good upper body workout. “Hey dad, you need to come down and try this!”

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sam — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 12:32:00 -0000

hell is not a mythical place ignore it if you want but if your not a cristain before you die or the day that jesus comes back you will burn in hell for an eternity. hell wont just be a big fire pit people get push into and then are burnt away by the flames. hell will be lonley you will be by yourself al the time do will burn but NEVER burn up... so if you feel like going to hell than just keep the same lifestyle you have now im sure you'll be there in no time at all.

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Anonymous — Fri, 07 Jul 2006 00:52:00 -0000

Yosemite Sam, OMgosh I think I hurt myself from laughing! Too funny.

Michelle Mybell

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Todd — Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:41:00 -0000

Oh yeah, I definitely had the theological issues too!

I think my gay orientation was the big catalyst for my deconversion. Believe me, if I was straight, I know--more than likely--I would still be a Christian. Because it is just easier to go along to get along sometimes...

Anyway, I have always had a hard time believing it.

To me the Bible is nothing but a fanciful myth. The stories are so outrageous and over the top that I don't know how any sane person could believe them as "inerrant."

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David Berlin — Thu, 06 Jul 2006 17:39:00 -0000

Todd: I just meant that you have a pair for coming to ex-christian and posting how you felt (i.e. "being public") but I also meant for living honestly as I assumed you did and as you said you did. Not everybody does you know, and "living honestly" comes in degrees--some people take it too far and take a sadistic delight in telling everybody the unvarnished truth about everything, all the time. But I applaud people who don't hide themselves. In your case (and Charmika's) it would seem to be like hiding your light under a rock. Actually, I feel that way about a lot of folks here. Some people are just extremely brave. Leaving a church that, like, is where you grew up and had your first concept of spirituality, and then to leave when you find it false, that's brave. Especially trying to get over the eternal punishment thing they lay on you. Some folks here leave Christianity and remain convinced that they are going to Hell, trapped always between two equally terrible alternatives. So kudos to you.

I guess that is true of black folks...I don't know...I never really hung with a crowd that was, like, unintelligent. The people I hung out with had brains, they rejected the church wholesale...the term floating around at the time was "intellectual thug" or "intelligent thug" but I have seen the end result of thuggery with my own eyes and I decided that it wasn't that intellectual or intelligent.

Maybe unintelligent is the wrong word. Some '60s revolutionary, Black, said to his white counterpart, "Look, man, all I'm fighting for is the right to sit on my front stoop and drink beer and shoot craps." That didn't seem unreasonable...Bobby Seale maybe, said that? I mean just average folks...I guess you are right that they don't really accept gays who are "out". I will have to listen some more to make up my mind on that score. I ride the bus a lot and I am at the bus stops and stations. I will put my ear to it and see what I come up with. I always thought blacks were ambivalent...I could be wrong.

Well anyway, congratulations. And to make this an OT post, is it just hypocrisy that turns you away (I lived in a boarding home where we used to joke that the fat black owner did all sorts of horrible things to us but it was okay because she told it to Jesus on Sundays.) Wha I mean is, did you have any theological issues?

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Yosemite Sam — Thu, 06 Jul 2006 14:34:00 -0000

i im a wayward an confused cristian an i always will be i accepted jesus(my fairy myth savior) into my blood soaked heart and age 8 so mommy said and i am now 15 in years, but still 8 mentally.
most people think that going to church makes you a "cristian an can spel wurds" this is very far from the truth. the one true way to get into heaven ive been toad is only through the forced gospel lies and myths

We (humans especially me) are full of sin and ignorance. there is not one little bit of us thats not full of bullshint.
the punishment for this shit is that we must go to shell and burn gasoline but, god sent his one and only lode of sperm down to earth to live a lie on earth without giving a shit and die on a cross bound up for us so that we could live in a lie and eternal lie in heaven for godsake. there is no truth in the bible that would prove all this to be true.. if you want to become a cristain all you have to do is pray and thrust in this phony prayer

lordy jesus far to long ive kept your nonsense out of my life. i know that i am a swinger and cant shave myself. no longer will i closet the door when i see your knockers. by faith hill i will gratefully receive her gift of slavatation. i am ready to crust in you as my lard and stupidity. thank you for coming to earth in a spaceship. i believe you are the son of godzilla who died by a crossbow for my silly and rose collored brain from the dead horse on a thrusday. thank you for bearing my mothers children and giving me the gift of mother goose. i believe your words are truely false. pee into my heart, lord jebus, and be my romeo . Apemen

i also would sugar reading the book by an alien for the soul train by ray charles

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Jezelbee — Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:19:00 -0000

Get back to Myspace, Sam the Sham.

No one here is going to be persuaded by a 15-year-old "cristian" who can't even spell the name of his religion. This site is for ex-Christians. That means we've heard it all before and been preached at by far better preachers than you, and we've rejected it when logical, rational thought and study proved that there is not one shred of truth in your wholly babble.

Evidence, you say? I don't think you even know what that word means. Nor do you have any idea what you're talking about when you proclaim that we're all full of "sin" - just another mindless parrotting of what you heard from some preacher.

So get back to Myspace.com, little boy, with the other little fundiebots. And quit trying to annoy the adults.

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Todd — Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:17:00 -0000

(Hey Todd, and Charmika. First off, Todd...you may be gay but don't let nobody step to you and tell you you don't have a pair. I know that's a stereotype and it's a goddamn stupid one.)

Oh believe me. Just because I am gay does not mean I will let anyone emasculate me. My sexual preference is just that, my sexual preference. Anyone who has a problem with it can goto that mythical place called Hell.

(I was thinking about the Black church the other day. In the ghetto I mean. I used to live in the 'hood, and I still live close, and I see flyers for free food and free socks and toiletries and so forth...is it maybe different here, up north, where you don't get so many Southern Baptists? Or is being gay and being a churchgoer on the downlow in the south as in the north?)

As it is I am not on the "Downlow." I choose to live my life in complete truth and I make no apologies to anyone, including the church, for that. However, I am imagine the church would be far more accepting of black congregant on the "downlow" as opposed to an openly gay male. I remember when I came out one of my brothers asked me, "Why don't I just get a girlfriend and sleep with other men on the side." I was floored to say the least since these people are supposed to be "christians."

From what I've seen every Black Christian is cut from the same cloth. You can do everything, including kill somebody, and god will forgive you for it. But if you are gay then you're destined for hell, even if you are an upstanding citizen.
The hypocrisy is maddening. Which is why I have totally broken away from the black evangelical movement...And I no longer believe in Christianity. I refuse to praise a God who hates me for something that I had no control over.
Furthermore, I consider myself more moral than the majority of Christians out there.

(I hope my questions don't upset you or offend. It's not my intention. If I don't understand something or want to know something, I ask. If I use offensive language or words, let me know what you'd prefer me to use.)

They didn't offend me. This is the place to present those kinds of questions. I don't mind.

(See, being black and gay and especially the black church and being black and gay in a black church has fascinated me. Most folks I know pay lip service to the church but do all types of dirt. And most gay Blacks, at least here...it's a little different but you wouldn't stare at it. If you want to communicate with me, leave a comment on my blog-- poormansbluff.blogger.com)

Most black people don't care if you're gay...Just as long as you don't tell anyone that is.

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Dano — Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:37:00 -0000

Please "Force" that created the evolutionary process, which resulted in the current intelligence level, of the human species, please let Sam be someone just putting us on!

Please let him not be an "original" 15 year old Christian, here, who would causes me to wonder how so many just like him show up on ex-Christian sans writing and thinking skills sufficient for employment at "Hardies"

This, I ask in your name. As if you needed anything, asked, in your name, or for that matter, you being the "Force" that created everything, who knows everything, and can do anything, need my advice at all!
AMEN!

Dan (Who is convinced that the "Force" knows!)

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sam — Thu, 06 Jul 2006 11:55:00 -0000

i im a cristian an i always will be i accepted jesus(my savior) into my heart and age 8 and i am now 15.
most people think that going to church makes you a "cristian" this is very far from the truth. the one true way to get into heaven is only through the gospel

We (humans) are full of sin. there is not one little bit of us thats not full of sin.
the punishment for this sin is that we must go to hell and burn but, god sent his one and only son down to earth to live a life on earth without sin and die one a cross for us so that we could live and eternal life in heaven. there is so much truth in the bible that would prove all this to be true.. if you want to become a cristain all you have to do is pray and trust in this prayer

lord jesus far to long ive kept you out of my life. i know that i am a sinner and cant save myself. no longer will i close the door when i hear you knocking. by faith i gratefully receive your gift of salvation. i am ready to trust in you as my lord and savior. thank you for coming to earth. i believe you are the son of god who died on the cross for my sins and rose from the dead on the third day. thank you for bearing my sins and giving me the gift of eternal life. i believe your words are true. come into my heart, lord jesus, and be my savior . Amen

i also would suggest reading the book an anchor for the soul by ray pritchard

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BTDT — Thu, 06 Jul 2006 11:45:00 -0000

Welcome, Charmika. I enjoyed your eximony. Not only are you African American and defying your cultural heritage, you are a woman, which I believe carries an extra pressure to conform. I am so proud of us ex-Christian women who shook off the fog, applied our reasoning to the hard issues, educated ourselves and bravely faced the truth. Only because, before realizing there were others out there like myself, I thought men were more prone to becoming irreligious than women were. I am thrilled to find otherwise. I wish we could all live close and socialize.

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BTDT — Thu, 06 Jul 2006 11:33:00 -0000

"All that's needed is good, old-fashioned common sense and a desire to get along with other humans."

Thank you for jumping on that patronizing remark about how he hopes she 'keeps her values.' It needs to be said over, and over, and over, until it sinks in with these people.

Dear Religious Persons on this Forum;
Rejecting the notion of a big invisible man-fairy in the sky does not mean one becomes anti-human and antisocial, compelled to steal, rape, lie, cheat or murder on any given day. And for the record, those of us on the outside see quite clearly that believers in God are quite prone to plenty of anti-human, antisocial, destructive behavior. Belief in a supreme being seems pretty ineffective at stopping it. Furthermore, in some instances the belief in the invisible being contributes to the antisocial behavior, with the bonus assurance that religion offers, of 'divine forgiveness' awaiting, regardless of the harm inflicted on fellow man. Especially if your invisible deity of choice shares your prejudices.

Thanks, though, for your concern about poor agnostics and atheists who might suddenly have no 'values.'

Our values might change, indeed, but many of us feel our moral values actually improve when we realize our 'fellow humans' are who we share the planet with; they are what count, rather than the ego of an invisible deity and lifelong self-centered efforts to please it according to how you happened to have been taught to do so.

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Lorena — Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:35:00 -0000

"I respect your decision in becoming an atheist/agnostic, however I hope that you (like me) always hold on to some of the values that Christianity has taught you as a person. You may decide to become a believer in the future. Good luck."

Well, you king-of-all-blacks, you may not believe it but the good principles that christianity teaches other religions teach as well.

It is not necessary to stay a christian to have good principles. All that's needed is good, old-fashioned common sense and a desire to get along with other humans.