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Steel — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:02:27 -0000

Steven Bently wrote:

"usmle said,

"Hi Guys, I am a physician and I share my faith in Christ and creationismam with my patients. I am proud of these men who are sharing their creationism."

Hi Mr. Physician, just thought that you would like to know that, since the invention of the microscope, we now know in the 21st century, that illnesses are caused by germs, bacteria and viruses, and are not caused by demons, evil spirits, witches, or thought invoked spells or the wrath of a god, just as people in the first century (and you) believe.

We also now know that the earth is not flat and that the Sun does not orbit the earth, and the earth is not the center of the universe. "

-- Good call. Let's not forget the supposedly wonderful creation of these evolutionary items (ref: I pulled these from Charles Sullivan's commentaries):

1. appendix: vestigal organ extraordinaire
2. birth canal: too small for our evolved heads = high death rates for mothers. Humans evolved to have bigger brains (= big skulls).As a result, babies are born premature (totally helpless as compared to most animals) so they can get out of mama!
3. jaw: too many damn teeth for our jaws = pain and infection (or, death, ages ago). Cited as an evolutionary change resulting from dietary changes or our bodies' attempts to make room for our uber brains)
4. spine: efficient apparatus with a horizontal dynamic, but vertically, pressure and pain.

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RubyHypatia — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:09:00 -0000

I am an Agnostic and a Homeschooling mom. And I teach evolution.

BTW, took the kid to see Horton Hears a Who the other day. The protagonist was a "pouch schooling" kangaroo. And she was not happy that Horton was teaching children to be creative. OUCH! I'm all for creativity.

Let's not stereotype homeschoolers, please.

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thebeard — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:20:00 -0000

Hi all, I am a lifetime atheist (even though i was baptized) and I just want to give you all a big pat on the back for proving to me that some xians are able to release themselves from the forged chains of the xian church system. It is truly inspiring to see all of you thinking.
THANK YOU ALL (except for the xian wining about xian bashing)

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JadedHearts1309 — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:38:00 -0000

I have been in church every Sunday for all 18 years of my existance. I believe Jesus Christ died on the cross to save me from my sins and so forth. However, I also believe that the world is millions of years old and that evolution has occurred. These two idiots are doing any absolute dissatisfaction to the religious community, and should be exocommunicated from whatever church they belong to, and I'm not even Catholic. I apologize on behalf of Christians everywhere for their idocacy and stupidity.

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haircuts — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:08:00 -0000

it just gets stupid! im the son of a preacher here in rapid city, south dakota...i started exploring the fosils and badlands about 3 years ago.....mini camels and lots of cetacious period in belle fouche resevior....tiny shark teeth with i have in big clumps in my back yard. sorry folks it dont matter what you think the facts are real!the west river plains was a low level sea....a long long time ago...i dont get it...what dont you undersand about that!

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Pz7G9eoiz_tV6v8JfizsS_.gnFOcif — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:15:00 -0000

I had to stop watching at "what you are seeing here is not good science, it's artwork". It's making my fists itch. What you are seeing here is not homeschooling, it's indoctrination.

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crazycanuck — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:11:00 -0000

Jeez Louise, as a homeschooler myself, this makes me want to PUKE! I understand your rage Wayne (although it does look like you may have thought some previous posters referred to all homeschoolers in general, I too like others took it as to mean Xian Fundy homeschoolers).

It is shit like this that gives homeschooling a bad name and carries it to the extreme of it's stereotypes, the mom in the denim jumper with 6 kids who sits at the kitchen table, the kids are socially isolated, learn only about creationism through their Abeka or Bob Jones "science" curriculum.

Unfortuanately I am surrounded by these fundy homeschoolers in my area, unlike Wayne. Makes it difficult to be sure. I do not want to raise a robot as it looks like these kids will amount to. Yes, through very fundy relatives (my husband is still a very weak christian tottering on the fence, I have recently declared my deconversion) my kids know about Bible Stories, and such, and the creation story, but under this roof we treat them as stories...and yes I do present both sides of the issue unlike I was privy to as a child. Too bad I had to reach my late 30's to realize and practice rational thought! My kids, thank goodness, are going down a very different path.

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Aaron — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:08:00 -0000

Those dipshits.

Evolution can't be observed--fine.

Creationism can't be observed--fine.

Evolution is an assertion based on observed phenomena. Creationists attempt to interpret *some* observed phenomena to "prove" a pre-existing assertion based on unobserved phenomena.

Holy fuck! Why is that so hard for them to understand?

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Spirula — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:47:00 -0000

Hi Guys, I am a physician and I share my faith in Christ and creationismam (sic) with my patients.

Translation: I exploit the fearful and worried state of sick people in order to proselytize for my imaginary friend, instead of doing the job of helping them get well which they mistakenly thought they were paying me to do.

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AtheistToothFairy — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:24:00 -0000

archang31 wrote:
Whoa Wayne!!! I thought I made it abundantly clear that I was talking about fundamentalist christian homeschoolers
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Archang31,

I just wanted to say that I took your previous post to be talking about **christian** fundie homeschoolers, and not homeschoolers in general.
To ME, you made that clear enough for most readers to understand your point, so I'm not sure why Wayne didn't also see it that way.

ATF (Who knows what it feels like to be mis-read at times to)

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archang31 — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:13:00 -0000

Archang31 wrote: "Homeschooling is such a fraud...it's just a backdoor way of brainwashing kids with fundie dogma."

First of all - go fuck yourself.

Whoa Wayne!!! I thought I made it abundantly clear that I was talking about fundamentalist christian homeschoolers; if I didn't I sincerely apologize! You don't deserve to be lumped in with that group, and by your response I'm judging that it happens to you a lot and that you loathe it. So if I did that to you it was NOT intentional. I'm all for any method of education that doesn't brainwash kids with religion, public or private or homeschool or whatever. If you can do a better job of educating your kids at home, go for it! There's nothing wrong with homeschooling in general, just the fundie christian brainwashing kind.

I'll try to be a little more distinct about it next time...lesson learned.

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xrayman — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 23:36:00 -0000

For their crimes against these children these assholes should be strapped to a chair and forced to watch the video in which I have pasted.

I worship Ken Miller who is a cell biologist by trade and one of the greatest minds the evolution movement has ever known. If any of you want to see Intelligent Design totally destroyed by one man, watch this video lecture. It is the best two hours you'll ever spend in a long time and it will arm you almost any arguement against a Y.E.C. Ironically Dr. Miller is a Catholic.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

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Munk — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:50:00 -0000

Holy crap. I felt my brain cells slowly withering as I watched this. I swear, in the future, when I have a family of my own, I will do my best to keep my children from being brainwashed by dumb asses like them. There is simply no gentler word for it.

I grew up listening to the crap. I was even a GA (a Christian girl scout). I just had to sit through the Easter Sunday service with my parents (I decided to visit them after all). I sat in with the youth group (I'm only 20 and still have some friends in the youth) during the end of their Sunday school. It took all I had to keep from screaming and storming out. I was ready to strangle the teacher in 3 seconds.

Seriously, when you go into a scientific institute and warp things to fit your preconceived notions, that is not science.

How do we know birds are birds? The bible says so. How do we know Moby Dick was a white whale? The book "Moby Dick" tells us so.

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twincats — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 14:48:00 -0000

My favorite part was when the TV host caught the "tourguides" lying for jebus right in front of the display for radiometric dating. Then, Mr. YEC says it's all subjective anyway, like using a three syllable word gets him off that hook!

It's not subjective at all; if the fundamental physics behind radiometric dating are only subjective, then nuclear power and nuclear weapons don't exist, either. Dumbasses!

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cipher — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:38:00 -0000

Re: the creationist physician - unfortunately, this is a very real phenomenon, e.g. Bill Frist.

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The AntiChristian — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 09:53:00 -0000

jonthethinker,
A lot of people who visit this site, like me, have been victims of Christianity. Many people that were brainwashed as Children by Christians, like me, have had a terrible time overcoming it. I will be emotionally scarred for life.

The way I fell about Christians is the same way that Afro-americans feel about the KKK, or the way that Jews feel about Nazis, or the way that a rape victim feels about a rapist.

Do you get the picture?

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THE ACE — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 09:08:00 -0000

It is shocking that a physician, a man or woman of science, could actually believe the superstitions
and "knowledge" of the Bronze Age.
Hey there Doc..when you want to cure a patient, what do you do, sacrifice a goat or sheep?

And to Jon the Thinker..the only
thing true about your post is your
name is Jon. I'd say your're a parrot, repeating everything you've ever been told to say..Bwaak, Bwaak,Polly believes
the Bible...a thinker you most
definately are not.

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eel_shepherd — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 06:13:00 -0000

AtheistToothFairy wrote:
"...The tour guides in this flick, will surely become [Bad-Teacher exemplars/archetypes; e_s] for most of these children, once they realize their young impressionable minds were once duped by these clueless chaps..."

Let's hope so.

Every so often I have to see videos like this one, even though I don't much like to. I would very possibly never believe such people existed unless they were right there in front of me. It also renews my hope that, with text and other audiovisual media being representable in ones and zeros with the advent of the digital age, documents such as this video can be preserved forever and not disintegrate or be rounded up and burnt like the books in Alexandria were, as if they had never existed. I just wish that on the screen showing these two "teachers" there was some screen text giving their names and birthdates and information about what city & state they lived in, so that someday down the road nobody will ever be able to try and "rehabilitate" their memory and try to claim that grand-daddy wasn't a dumbfuck creationist propagandist who, in the 21st century, actively exerted himself to twist and warp children's minds away from their natural tendency to free inquiry.
It's the same principle in my mind as never allowing the name Byron de la Beckwith to vanish into obscurity. Someone shot Medgar Evers, and that's.who.it.was.

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Astreja — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 02:47:00 -0000

Appalling. Simply appalling.

From the Declaration of Geneva: "I will not permit considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient..."

You're in violation of the oath, Mr. Video. Quit preaching at your patients or retire from your medical practice.

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AtheistToothFairy — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 01:48:00 -0000

USMLE Video Lectures wrote:
Hi Guys, I am a physician and I share my faith in Christ and creationismam with my patients
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Oh, this fundie doctor must be a friend of that other xtian doctor that came through here not very long ago.
Well that settles the matter then.
If not just one, but TWO doctors are saying god created everything, then we should all convert instantly to their way of thinking......NOT!!!

Hey, "What's Up Doc", did you by chance get your education from the Bugs Bunny University?
I hear they can cure more diseases using carrots, than even your god can do.

ATF (Who sometimes wonders how naive these lame posters think we are)

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Steven Bently — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:48:00 -0000

usmle said,

"Hi Guys, I am a physician and I share my faith in Christ and creationismam with my patients. I am proud of these men who are sharing their creationism."

Hi Mr. Physician, just thought that you would like to know that, since the invention of the microscope, we now know in the 21st century, that illnesses are caused by germs, bacteria and viruses, and are not caused by demons, evil spirits, witches, or thought invoked spells or the wrath of a god, just as people in the first century (and you) believe.

We also now know that the earth is not flat and that the Sun does not orbit the earth, and the earth is not the center of the universe.

But you would prefer to believe that a man and a woman was created out of dirt, each with a belly button to match.

Please post your preference outside your office so I and others can stay the hell away from you.

Thank You.

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The AntiChristian — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:43:00 -0000

USMLE Video Lectures,
You can't be serious. I can't believe anything so asinine.

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Wayne — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:39:00 -0000

Archang31 wrote: "Homeschooling is such a fraud...it's just a backdoor way of brainwashing kids with fundie dogma."

First of all - go fuck yourself. I've home-schooled both of my daughters, and if you want to call me a fundie, you're gravely mistaken. Lumping people into neat little groups is the job of religion. As a matter of fact, NONE of the homeschool groups that my wife and I have been involved with were religious or "fundie" in any way shape or form. I homeschooled because the state of the public schools where I live sucks balls. Kids can't spell, they have no real science, they are being taught to "pass the aptitude tests".

I'm sorry if you had to deal with fudie kids, but try to keep your mind open at least a crack to realize that not all home schoolers are xtian morons.

BTW - I'm glad Nightline exposed this bullshit. It was probably an easy gig for the editors to expose these guys as the dipshits that they are.

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Telmi — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:48:00 -0000

Harry says:

'Perry Marshall invites any atheist to debate him. He says, "If you can read this, I can prove God exists".'

Harry, please tell PM I would be delighted to debate him. My email address is:
rwookc@singnet.com.sg

rgds

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xrayman — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:28:00 -0000

"Hi Guys, I am a physician and I share my faith in Christ and creationismam with my patients. I am proud of these men who are sharing their creationism"

......and I have a Phd in world history and I tell my children the truth about Halocaust. It never happened.