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Anonymous — Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:41:00 -0000

yay for the roast...

1. yes, but they were Raised christian and Raised to believe what the bible and the chruch told them. of course they were christian, but does that mean their theories would have changed where they not christian.

2. and who supported slavery? those who where the pregenitors to the modern Southern Baptist and Born-Again churches

3. so you can prove to me the red sea did split? or was it the reed sea?

4. these are alos the same countries where abortion doctors are killed in the streets and more hate-crimes are committed that are justified by christianity than all other nations. you want a nation with free speach, low crime rate, and a smarter, more coherent society? go to Japan!

5. Paul, the apostle, condones the killing of "unbelievers". And God, great killer of the world, has drowned the world, told people to kill sons, other cultures, and in Revelations says, essentially, "y'all die and go to hell"

6. Stalin was superstitious as hell, Hitler spent half of his life looking for the Holy Grail. Mao was from a different culture, not christian, but more idealist. My point is that the deaths in the crusades, in the inquisitions, were horrendous, and have been horrible downplayed by the church(es). there is also all the other deaths, including Salem Witch Trials, the civilization that Cortez destroyed with the help of "his queen and God".

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Anonymous — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:36:00 -0000

While we're on the subject of Xtian body count, let's not forget the Taiping Rebellion in China that was the bloodiest wars in history. That war was indeed Christian, in every way shape and form.

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Monk — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:24:00 -0000

You're most welcome.

Happy hunting.

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Ryan — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:13:00 -0000

Thanx again, Monk. That photo at the very beginning was just the juicy perversity I was looking for.

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Monk — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:49:00 -0000

Here's one more for good measure:

http://rationalrevolution.n...

You'll have to scroll down to see the pictures.

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Monk — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:46:00 -0000

Ryan:

Sorry, I also forgot to mention that the reason that was relevant to what you originally asked was because Spain's brand of socialism came to despise the type of communism that was sprouting up everywhere else. Also, there brand of fascism deviated somewhat from Hitler's and Mussolini's (though it was still fascist). Spain has always been a unique place. The author I mentioned previously repeats over and over how "Spain was being 'different' again."

The religious side of Spain is also fascinating. It's the only COUNTRY (still in existence today) that has been ruled by both Muslims and Christians at various times in its history. (I'm excluding places like Jerusalem in that comment).

Sorry for the digression. Just bringing it up in case you might be interested.

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Monk — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:34:00 -0000

Ryan:

I originally saw the pictures in a book, "The Story of Spain" by Mark Willams, but here's a link to the photo that I found online. I can't vouch for the website one way or another, but it's the same photo that I saw in the book.

http://www.liberalslikechri...

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Ryan — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:18:00 -0000

Thanx Monk. I really would like to see photographs of those salutes. I plan to get to the library.

And I forgot to bring up the KKK. I live in what used to be the heart of klan country (Indiana)and these people maintained a xristian testimony that was downright touching. They loved their savior. Loved god with all their heart.

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twincats — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:23:00 -0000

Paraphrasing the original post:

How to shut up an atheist?

1. Lie for Jesus

2. Lie for Jesus some more

repeat as necessary

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Brent S — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:11:00 -0000

The author mentions how some archeology discoveries had confirmed the existence of people or locations mentioned in the Bible. Fine. I once had this argument with a Christian and kindly pointed out that Heinrich Schliemann found the ruins of Troy in the 1870's. Under Christian reasoning, this must prove that the Iliad is true and Gods such as Zeus, Athena etc. must also be real.

Needless to say, this helpful piece of "witnessing" by myself was not well appreciated. For shame.

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Monk — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:24:00 -0000

To Ryan:

If you haven't already, check out Spain under Francisco Franco. You'll find lots of goodies about the Church. As an example, you'll find members of the catholic clergy giving out the straight arm fascist salute before Franco (for practical reasons more than ideology) abolished it.

It's not just Franco's era. The whole history of Spain and the Catholic Church is fascinating.

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Anonymous — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:20:00 -0000

wow. yeah.... without repeating what other people said, this article is dead wrong and they are quite obnoxious and cocky in their ignorance. it actually made me laugh out loud. they act as though there is going to be a big revolution and they are going to crush the atheists. like an ant thinking it can take on a bull.

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boomSLANG — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:13:00 -0000

Am I the only one who thinks this article is tongue-in-cheek?

I'm sorry to report that the author is a real, flesh-n-blood.... and uh, "soul", Christian fundamentalist.

Speaking of, here he is in action....Kermit the frog meets spaghetti-arms.

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bdp — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:25:00 -0000

it's definitely not tongue-in-cheek - I went to the source website and it's a neo-con religious right enclave, Bill Bennett and Michael Medved are a couple of the other columnists there. This columnist is a young 'in-your-face-for-Christ' type, the kind that just makes me want to laugh right out loud.

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Aspentroll — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:42:00 -0000

It seems the doomsdayers are getting worried. A lot more people are not running frightened to church anymore.

I would say they are financialy worried, perhaps the collection plates are less full.

Next they'll blame the "godless" for problems at
Oral Roberts University.
What's going to happen if Jaybus doesn't come back here this year like they predict? That'll be our fault too. Maybe the "rapture" will be ruptured.

They are running scared guys. they are running scared.

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Moonpearl — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:40:00 -0000

Forgive me for being pissy pouty screechy sweaty fat and female even, not to mention over-intellectual but too stupid to be able to patch over "apparent" biblical contradictions. Forgive me for running around in circles and asking my cute little questions and for being hurt when ignored, put down, told I'm pissy pouty screechy fat, stupid, overly-intellectual and FEMALE. It's obvious I'm just a satan-infested trouble-making and hateful person out to undermine the faith of the simple flock, and I don't have any right to speak out against what is so obviously the one and only truth. Forget about science, who caused the inquisition and all of that, just have faith. How dare I wage war against the faithful by asking questions or for thinking that perhaps I might deserve a bit of respect when I disagree with the one and only truth - eh? Sorry, no respect for the hell-bound. Yeah, great arguments - I am just so totally convinced now! Too bad such eloquent and consistent reasoning didn't come my way before this! Uh, oh wait a minute, it was always this kind of eloquent reasoning but I'm just a fat woman who screeches (that is me you hear singing) so what do I know? Oh, sorry, I had better shut up, otherwise I am being disrespectful to people's faith and their right to evangelize me to the truth. (Oh, btw, do I get any credit for having lost 20 pounds?)

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Michelle — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:40:00 -0000

Am I the only one who thinks this article is tongue-in-cheek?

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Anonymous — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:32:00 -0000

These arguments against the atheist are simply intellectually dishonest and aren't worthy of refuting. It's unbelievable how hypocritical christian's are. They are cleary being deceptive and that goes against their very own supposed belief system.

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Dave8 — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:04:00 -0000

On this thread's topic; pure propaganda and disinformation.

Ask a Christian to define propaganda, and then follow that up with, how they can remove the bible, or this Town Hall fiction from such a definition... they'll likely stutter.

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Richard M — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:22:00 -0000

I think this post makes clear some of the problems involved in countering Christian claims and, perhaps, some of the reasons for Christianity's success. Consider what they say:

* "The greatest scientific geniuses in history were Christians"

Now consider what we have to say to counter this:

* "Actually thats untrue. Einstein was Jewish, as was Freud. Edison was a nonbeliever. (More examples x,y,z). Besides, even if they were, what we may have here is an example of 'true, true, and unrelated.' If you wish to make this argument, you are going to have to show that (a) of the widely-agreed-upon list of top scientists, the large majority were Christians, (b) that moreover, most were Christians in the same sense that *you* are -- i.e., evangelical, and believed in things like Biblical inerrancy, and most importantly (c) that the fact of their Christinity had a significant connection to their work as scientists. If establish all of those claims, then you might have an argument worth considering. Otherwise, this is just rhetoric."

See the difference? What I said was far more accurate and about as fair as you could ask for.... but it lacks the punch and emotional power of the first.

We are trying to meet sound bites with rational argument. No wonder it is an uphill battle.

Richard

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sscianni — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:03:00 -0000

Just yesterday I heard D'Souza speak at a local church. Being back in the "house of god" was bad enough, but this gentleman made it intolerable.

There was not a molecule of scholastic integrity. It was a circus for the masses, a typical mega-church "show" filled with mischaracterizations, half-truths, plain falsehoods, emotional appeals, and choir giggling one-liners. D'Souza is a joke.

Just a "heads up" - D'Souza and Hitchens debate tonight at The King's College. It looks like it will stream here,

http://www.tkc.edu/debate/

...and apparently CSPAN will air it next weekend.

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Jeremiah — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:18:00 -0000

Wow! When I first read this, I thought it was a joke, but when I looked up the authors, I realized it wasn't! And then I saw so many of the reviewers agreeing with the authors! Ugh! I used to think Satan was the father of lies, but it seems that the apologists are the real father of lies.

I just finished reading "god is not Great" by Christopher Hitchens and he refutes virtually everything of the original post.

The more I read, the more I realize that atheists know the Bible better than "Christians." The atheists, agnostics, and skeptics that I've met in my studies all seem to be dedicated to finding and spreading the truth through reason and logic; whereas the Christians who post on this web site and others couldn't have read their Bibles and are dedicated to perpetuating delusions because they are unwilling to think for themselves.

In the words of Christopher Hitchens "Religion Poisons Everything."

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Ryan — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:50:00 -0000

Some of you history buffs out there may need to help me with this, but I want to bring up a few details about any pissing contest between communists and xians.

In pre-revolutionary Russia, life for the common man stunk. Had I lived in such a place, at such a time, I daresay I would have been a Red myself.

The most miserable form of life was the serfs. They were slaves; bought and sold like cattle. Their owners, the landowners--called the boyars--could do as they pleased with their serfs. They could rape their wives and daughters; they could kill them. And all this was sanctioned by the orthodox church.

Pogroms swept through Russia, again and again, with the priesthood standing by with their thumbs up their asses.

Have you ever debated a Marxist? Try telling him about the governments of the Soviet Union, China, Nort Korea et al, and he'll tell you just as quickly about the horrors found in xian/capitalist countries: slavery; child labor; poverty. I never won a debate against a Marxist.

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Spirula — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:09:00 -0000

BTW, Issac Newton did not believe in the Trinity. This would have made him a heretic in virtually all Christian denominations.

But, hey, who expects anybody at Clownhall to fact check. If Dinesh is a contributor, the critical thinking bar has got to be set pretty low.

I am amused that Christian argumentation has now eroded down to a "who's the worser" numbers games a la mass killings. (Let alone the fact that the atheism of Stalin et. al. had nothing to do with the extermination of real or potential dissidents, unlike Christian exterminations which were based on their religious beliefs.)

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ellytoad — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:03:00 -0000

So it's the people who represent Christianity, and not the Bible itself, that determines the "truth" of it now. Oooo-kay.