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These kids' guardians are behind this...I don't care what anyone says. And this is tantamount to child abuse.
children to prolong a bullshit
myth.
Sounds like they are getting ready to replace the Revs. Graham, Falwell, Robertson, Hinn, Hagee, etc.
May both those poor little kids break free of their brainwashing and go on to successful careers far, far away from their cults.
Do people really feel 'edified' by anything they say...? or is it just "Oh, how cute..."
Remember, a candle flame flickers violently just before it dies.
We are seeing the death throes of Christianity in America. Or at least its excesses.
Either that or I am completely wrong and this is just the beginning of a complete escalation into something even far worse, like a theocracy in which every child that DOESN´T preach is suspect.
-Leonard (worried) :(
The kids enjoy the attention from and power over adults they get and the parents enjoy the money the lil' preachers make so you can just bet the faithful will have many ways to rationalize this phenomenon.
It is hard to dream of a more pathetic reply to this question - or, on the other hand, one that seems to answer it so fully.
fjell
It's an unusual trend.
just when i think i seen and heard it all, some crap like this shows up. I think that a century from now this will be a crime.
It has been going on for generations:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=marjoe
Children are shaped to believe what they are told, ironically by evolution. Children who didn't do what they were told, i.e. 'don't wander away from the cave where predators prowl' would die out.
The evolutionary theory of their behaviour will go above the heads of the children. Also, the parents won't be able to understand it.
With that in mind isn't it the right of a parent to bring their children up how they see fit. Yes, it is with a few caveats. They must not be abused and the law of their country must be upheld. Religious ideas in the hands of an under-formed mind can amount to a form of child abuse. Who amongst us can say that informing a child that they will spend an eternity in pain and fire is not a form of child abuse. I believe what is needed here is a shielding of a child from religious ideas before a certain age.
That age should be when they are able to form conclusions based on evidence. If this were true then religion would die out.
Do we not shield children from other (dangerous) ideas, such as alcohol and sex until they are old enough to understand? Why isn't religion included as one of these?
Are there any Christians reading this. Go on tell us what you think?
I'm an atheist and not a christian, but I'm afraid I can't agree with you completely. For instance, stating that "...what is needed here is a shielding of a child from religious ideas before a certain age (emphasis added)" sounds to me little better than the idea in some protestant sects of "the age of accountability," where a child is considered innocent and sinless until he or she is old enough to recognize right from wrong.
There is some validity to this doctrine and to your idea, because there are certain things that children should be shielded from until they have reached a certain stage of development. But therein lies the point that I would dispute.
Children/people develop at very different speeds. Trying to fix a certain numerical age on which a child should learn something is impractical and could be dangerous. Some children would be unnecessarily stifled, while others would be exposed far too soon. Further, to make a subject taboo until a certain age would do nothing more than to encourage a child's more enlightened peers to undercut the parents and other authority figures by letting the cat of out the bag in an uncontrolled and unsupervised manner. As an example, I recall how I learned about sex...from my peers...YEARS before either my parents or school officials broached the subject.
In short, knowledge can be a form of rebellion for children. Religious knowledge and participation could become nothing more than another means by which a child could rebel against authority. To borrow a phrase from Star Wars, "the more you tighten your grip...the more that will slip through your fingers." It would be like taking one step forward, two steps back. The more you regulate something, the more power you tend to give it.
No, the answer is not to institute a law or regulation governing when a child can learn about a subject. The answer is to de-mystify religion by making information readily avaiable, being forthright about what we know and what we don't know about the universe and god, and refusing to tolerate the absurdities of the fundamentalist extremists of ALL religions. Don't take MORE power away from parents to raise their children. Educate these parents and give them more freedom to pass life experiences on to their children.
The reason I know that these little mutants are about their consumers (would you like fries with that?) is that the consumers will only enjoy them in one setting; they will not seek out financial guidance from them or consult them on the blueprints of some invention idea that they're working on at the moment. Why not? Because they're, umm, kids; human kittens, commercially viable ones, for now, who, stated squarely, really know bugger all about bugger all.
Oh piss off.
What's a shame, is that you will spend every waking second of the only life you'll ever have, believing a lie.
... "And it shall come to pass afterward,that I will pour out My Spirit upon ALL flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy..." This is the time that He is doing just that!!
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Hey Deemed-Naive #99,
Oh, I guess god is giving away a really cool prize then.
Well, I can do the same, oh Deemed one.
Please send in your 'proof of purchase', that your god is "doing all that", along with 666 box tops from your Fruit Loops favorite breakfast cereal.
In return, we will send you (in easy to digest--comic book format) the Beginners Guide To Reality Cookbook.
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4. True Secret Confessions from Deluded Christians.
5. How to get out Wine stains from your Jesus Robe
6. How to make Pickled Tongues for the Holy Roller Clan.
7. The Virgin Mary on Burnt Toast: Anyone can make this Holy breakfast delight.
8. How to stop germs from Evolving on your kitchen counter, in no time at all
9. Stone Soup: Use it while hot, to stone all those nasty Sabbath sinners.
10. How to make your own Flintstone Vitamins for your backyard stray Dinosaur.
If you act now, we'll send absolutely free, our famous "Pillar of Salt" Pepper Shaker
ATF (Who is looking for more ideas to add to this hot selling book)
Uh, wrong website.
"'And it shall come to pass afterward,that I will pour out My Spirit upon ALL flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy...' This is the time that He is doing just that!!"
Já, right. Got any proof for that god of yours?
Those kids are being abused by adults who have indoctrinated them with bullshit beliefs. My wish is that both of them turn apostate and walk away from the church forever before they reach the age of majority.
"Shame on you all that don't really know and recognize what the Lord is doing right now!!"
Shame on *you* for being so fucking stupid that you actually think that a blogful of EX-Christians gives a rat's ass about Bible quotations. The real issue is the fate of those poor kids. Shake that dust off them feet and boogie on out of here, pronto.
Uh, wrong website
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Astreja,
I doubt the redeemer will ever come back to trade in their 99 god delusion stamps for a book of reality?
I mean, if this xtian didn't ever realize they were on a EX xtian website, what's the chances they book-marked this page they wrote a comment on.
What a pity to, as I wanted to know how many "shame" stamps I could get from them, that I might use to buy my very first talking snake.
Astreja, did you ever wonder how one can "pour out a spirit"?
I guess these spirits must be like the Genie in a Bottle trick, yes?
ATF (Who is off to rub his spirit bottle, to release his personal genie)
(wanders downstairs and pours Herself two fingers of Glenfiddich)
Great idea, ATF! (wanders downstairs and pours Herself two fingers of Glenfiddich
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Astreja,
After you drank the two fingers of Glenfiddich, did you happen to notice any genie's around?
These bottle genie's seem to be just as illusive as the xtian god.
ATF (Who thinks one can get their genie wishes granted, far more often than god prayers)
But I foresee a bottle of Green Chartreuse in the not-too-distant future, and shall check for genies there, too.
In the meantime, we do seem to have confirmed the existence of drinkable spirits. And self-fulfilling prophesies by Those who like to consume them.
Now that we live in a culture where the average lifespan is closer to 80, it would be polite to begin a preaching career at around 25, which would ba about pro rata.
This 30% gives the "preacher" time to reach a level in society at which his public endeavours can be met with respect by the listeners. Until then, these poor little children are the, predominantly, male equivalents of the little beauty queens that have their lives ruined by their inadequate parents.
To allow or, I suspect, encourage these ignorant, unprepared children to assume adult roles approaches the obscene.
As for God not asking "our permission went he sent Jesus down here". That really gives his mother Mary a real sort of "Free Will", does it not? If permission (consent) was not asked (obtained) then your leader is the result of a rape.
About par for the course, Kevin, given the evidence of your god's character in your buybull.
Peace,
David
I'm sure you're right about 12 year old children preachers being sent by god.
Heck, I've got one living down the block from me and he is no doubt a direct messenger from god.
So far, I've witnessed him use the holy power of jesus to 'heal the undead', 'raise the sick', 'put demons in a cast', un-drown vile pigs, dilute wine into water, and walk on frozen water.
ATF (Who thinks god made a donkey talk, because god is a jack-ASS himself)
We can be sure that someone was speaking out of his ass, but there's no evidence it was a god.
What the hell is this supposed to mean?
RE: that in the last days will he pour out his spirit upon ALL Flesh
It means that in the last days, god is finally giving up his bad alcohol addiction and pouring out all his heavenly bottles of 'spirits' upon the earth, and hence, upon all flesh.
I heard god is a "mean drunk" to.
ATF (Who now understands what has caused god's occasional unfounded anger, especially in the OT days)
Yes, your storybook does seem to tell us this, but answer me this then....
What did jesus do at ages 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17?
Maybe those he pissed-off at age 12, had him locked-away during his (unreported) teen-rebellious years?
ATF (Who is surprised that no one has written a book called; The Secret Teen Years of Jesus)
The fact of the matter is that if God chooses a rock to preach no matter how much we object to it, the rock is going to preach.
The fact of thee matter is: Who are we to judge what or who God uses, The BIBLE says that in the last days will he pour out his spirit upon ALL Flesh. Think about that.
The fact of the matter
The fact of the matter
The fact of the matter
The fact of the matter? Are you F-ing kidding me?
The fact of the matter is you don't have any facts you benighted assh*le.
How, the hell, do you know if god chooses preachers?
Facts? You don't have any FACTS.
You're, simply, pulling this sh*t out of your a$$, without any facts to substantiate your claims.
Furthermore, the bible is just a collection of Jewish fairy tales and superstitious mumbo-jumbo, that was written by men, who used the, supposed, voice of god, to lend it credibility, where there is none.
You're the one who is the gullible sod, who believes it is the word of god, solely on, the brain malfunction, you call faith -- you have NO objective evidence (NO FACTS) to prove it otherwise. Comprende?
All your assertions are nothing but the ravings of a lunatic; a delusional christian zealot, who most, assuredly has NO facts to substantiate his extraordinary claims.
We only deal in objective evidence here. Got any for the existence of your god or for anything you've spewed out your pie-hole?
Thought not; be on your way, cuckoo.
--S.
that is the best description of faith I've heard in a long time!
If what I have seen of pastors and evangelists, of whatever age, is an indication of who your god wants as his spokesmen, then leave me out of it.
And about your jesus: many of us believe he never existed, and if he did, we do not know what he preached. Again, the shit that your "spokesmen" claim to be the words of jesus can go down the nearest sewer. I would not listen to jesus any more than I would listen to a talking donkey. But then I repeat myself.
I came on this post by accident. I have no intention or desire to return to it. I need to return to newer posts. If you care to discuss this--it should be amusing--you can email me rpa1543@saintjoe.edu. I do not expect to hear "shutup" again. Tell me to shutup to my face and you'll be shitting your teeth.
Then you must be the Second Coming of that donkey, Kevin.
I have seen, on Skegness beach, the second coming of a donkey. Whilst a little embarrassing, it was certainly spectacular.
Kevin only qualifies for the first adjective so fails to make the grade, I'm afraid.
David
Then you must be the Second Coming of that donkey, Kevin.
It's been said many times, but it bears repeating - fundies have absolutely no sense of irony.
Are you sure the last two words were necessary?