Exactly Greydon, religions were created out of fear of death and the unknown, the biggest obvious reason to any clear thinking person such as yourself, although christians will not admit this, because they have invested their sanity for a belief, they have swapped, traded-in their common sense and sanity for a belief that they vehemently wish for, that the bible to become true, if they can just hold on to the insane beliefs until death, they they will be richly rewarded for their ignorant beliefs according to the false teachings of the lieble.
Instead of admitting that no one knows how were all got here and no one knows any much beyond this planet, they would much prefer to believe in a fairytale that was supposedly inspired by an imaginary god that loves us all but does not want any thing to do with humans, therefore god stays hid and never exposes his true identity, nor ever intervenes in our affairs, yet we are to blindly believe in this invisible diety and if not, we will all go and burn forever in this hell, just because we do not believe in things that are invisible. Makes alot of sense doesn't it? Thanks Greydon, enjoyed your testimony. Ben
jesusfables
· 3 years ago
Actually it's father, son and the holy ghost 1+1+1 = 1
You see Greydon god created the whole universe in just 6 days, but he made a Big mistake, he also created Evil, so after sitting on his thumbs for 4000 years he decided to inseminate a virgin girl so that she would have a son and that they would later kill him as a sacrifice for all the sins that god allowed to happen in the first place.
So now, god had to find a way to transport his sperm to this virgin girl so he sent an Angel, by the way all Angels are male:-) and it just takes one sperm to impregnate a virgin girl, now this virgin girl was already pregnant, so all god had to do is infect this baby with the holy ghost spirit, a ghost spirit with god-like atributes!
Now we have gone from god's only begotten son to a baby that was already conceived, and infested with the holy spirit, makes alot of sense doesn't it Greydon?
So did god impregnate this virgin girl or was the girl already pregnant and did god just bless her child with the holy spirit or did god transport his sperm all across the universe via an angel, and what form of transportation did they use to transport the sperm?
What vessel did they use to transport god's sperm in, since it was invisible?
Does god masturbate on a regular basis?
These are important questions that christians must be able to answer.
Fairywart
· 3 years ago
jeezusfabble, WTF I thought u knew the answer to that question, its easy, did no-one clue u. It goes like this. The transportation they used was Santa Claus on his twelve reindeer sleigh that carried the Easter Bunny who had gods sperm in a vessel that looked like a big invisible colourful egg, Santa showed the Easter Bunny how to get into the house via the chimney. Santa helped himself to the milk & cookies while Bunny poured the contents of the egg into Mary's red silk purse. Which is why christians who believe their Babble still celebrate these events to this day!! And yes, god does spank his monkey on a regular basis, thats why u get hailstorms,cos it freezes on the way down. All very sound scientific evidence for all of this!!
Geek
· 3 years ago
Good post, Greydon. Sounds like you stood up for yourself and your beliefs (or lack of) pretty well.
But even though 1+1 may not equal 3:
2+2=5 for extremely large values of 2
http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/coder/60f5/
OK, it was off topic, but good for a laugh.
GoneNsane
· 3 years ago
Greydon, after a while you'll quit beating your head against the wall. You can't reason with Christians, they compartmentalize too well. After a while it drives a lot of them insane and they self-destruct (molesting children, porn addictions, alcoholism, spousal abuse, depression, etc).
I don't know about other religions, but this one was created for the specific purpose of giving a group of people an identity in the face of oppression, a kind of "we're special and God is going to wreak the revenge upon you that we cannot" type of thing. It depends very much upon the feeling of persecution, which is why so many Christians believe to this day they are being persecuted. Nothing is further from the truth, of course, but they aren't very good at seeing what's right in front of their faces.
Mitch
· 3 years ago
I can definately relate 2 where u r coming from on this. Logic, reason, & common sense simply cannot be reconciled with diehard believers. And unfortunately many African Americans just aren't trying 2 hear anything rational. The brainwashed fear of hell is 2 deeply instilled. But i would like 2 acknowledge your enlightenment, glad 2 see another black man who's seen the light of reason, peace!
Anonymous
· 3 years ago
Greydon, Your observations and consternation don't surprise me in the least. I wonder though how many black youth once they make it to college look upon those who idolize and worship the white man's god who aren't white with embarrassment at such ignorance and this goes as well for those of asian ethnicities.
I think every black person should know the history of the Harlem Renaissance http://www.atheists.org/Atheism/roots/harlem/ because of the remarkable and largely ignored free thinkers who became reknowned at that time and of Hubert Henry Harrison http://www.atheists.org/Atheism/roots/harrison/ whose paraphrased response in defense of his atheism included the following: "At one of his lectures he was asked why he rejected Christianity; he replied that any rational Black man who accepted Christianity must be crazy. As Harrison pointed out, the Christian Bible is a slave master's book. Slavery is defended in numerous passages in Holy Writ, whereas antislavery is nowhere endorsed in that work. In the Christian pantheon, god is white, and so is Jesus Christ, the Holy Ghost, and all the angels. The only black member is the devil. He pointed out how pathetic it is to go to a Jim Crow church on Sunday and hear Black people singing a hymn, asking god to bleach them whiter than snow, so that they might enter into the Kingdom of Heaven."
freedy
· 3 years ago
Greydon,...as a church musician for 20 yrs.,..I played in alot of black churches.I was always amazed at how blindly they followed their pastors. I read recently that the feeding of crowds with one loaf of bread was a common con game in biblical times,(as well as other supposed miracles Jesus performed).
freedy
· 3 years ago
Greydon,...as a church musician for 20 yrs.,..I played in alot of black churches.I was always amazed at how blindly they followed their pastors. I read recently that the feeding of crowds with one loaf of bread was a common con game in biblical times,(as well as other supposed miracles Jesus performed).
Lorena
· 3 years ago
Greydon,
I can say the same about my people, "Los Latinos." In our case, I blame it on underdevelopment and lack of proper education. That is what causes them to assign phenomena of unknown origin to god.
Another explanation is the low self-esteem caused by 400 years of brutal slavery at the hands of Spain. In that, I believe, we are similar to African-Americans during the slavery period.
Low self-esteem causes people to look up to others and to put them on a pedestal.
My 2-cents
Jim
· 3 years ago
It's your ex girlfriend and your brother's girlfriend that has the problem. All religions are faith based, but Christianity seems to be the worst, and the most evilest of all religions. It actually throws guilt back upon the believer. There is only one real path to follow, and that path is atheism. Cheers all Jim Lee
Keith
· 3 years ago
Greydon-you nailed it. Religion exists because people are afraid of death. It is also a control mechanism. Sounds like you made a great argument with your ex and your brother's girlfriend. As you you have learned, you can't reason with these people, because their "faith" teaches them not to believe reason. As a white man, I don't understand why any African American person (or Native American or Hispanic person) would be a Christian. It was under the cloak of Christianity that their ancestors were oppressed for so long. I commend you for seeking out and finding the truth, and defending your beliefs so well. In our "Christian" culture, it takes a great deal of courage to speak out as an atheist.
Sarge
· 3 years ago
Greydon, you got it. Like Freedy, I'm a musician, I play in a lot of churches. This is not a bad thing to do, you hear what they say when they're on their home turf, so to speak. There is a different dynamic, I've noticed, in a "black" church than in one mainly made up of caucasians. Same message and need, but a different approach. My daughter in law is "black" (family from Jamaica) and when we visit I wind up playing for where she goes. That is an Episcopal church and the congregation is mostly Carribean, African, and from India.
You're a very smart young man, Greydon. Most of the world accepts certain fictions to out of some need to fit and not make waves, but I'm glad to see someone else who doesn't. Consider your hand shaken, and welcome to the hard path. You're not alone in your travels.
My parents tried to raise ma as a Southern Baptist, but I never believed from day one. The only true wisdom I got from church attenance was this story (told by the bad kids at church camp):
A young man decided to go into the ministry, went before his local board to be examined as to his fitness to enter. They discussed some esoteric things with him, and finally asked him what HE thought his qualifications were, he said, "Gentlemen I have the biggest ____ in three counties and an insatiable cravin' for fried chicken." I've found that there's a lot more truth to that than not during my sojourn on this planet.
Anonymous
· 2 years ago
i accidently clicked on ths website and i can't believe you would that the all powerful God doesn't deserve that title! i can't believe you would insult a religion like that. They are entitled to their own beliefs and you have no right to insault them like that! YOU ARE RUDE AND HAVE NO RESPECT!!!
Anonymous
· 2 years ago
i can not believe this website it is purely disrespectful and rude. it has no right to insult all that christians believe. i have read some of the comments and i am applaud that someone named bentley said that we have lost our common sense. christian belief in simple terms is treating others as you would want to be treated. is that having no common sense and to have insanity. i am truly upset
.:webmaster:.
· 2 years ago
You will go to hell, where you will be tortured forever in horrific agony, if you don't accept the one true religion. Be afraid! Be very afraid!
That's what Christianity teaches. And that's pretty damned rude.
Christianity sucks ass.
Astreja
· 2 years ago
Indeed. What could be more rude, more evil and more destructive to society than:
- Causing psychological harm to children by telling them tales of Hell;
- Teaching people that they were born evil and cannot redeem themselves with good actions;
- Teaching that human sacrifice is a good thing, particularly if the victim is a person of exemplary character;
- And teaching that the end of the world is a good thing rather than a horrible tragedy?
That's mighty screwed up. A belief system that teaches such things deserves no respect, none at all. It must be actively fought, debunked and neutered until it is incapable of causing harm.
And oh, the irony in this quote: christian belief in simple terms is treating others as you would want to be treated.
Oh, really? In that case, all you have to do is practice your religion in private and leave the rest of us alone.
AtheistToothFairy
· 2 years ago
"applaud" anonymous said: i can not believe this website it is purely disrespectful and rude. it has no right to insult all that christians believe -- To "applaud" anonymous,
Your first mistake was finding your way to an EX Christian site.
Your second mistake was sticking around to read what we think of your lame beliefs.
Your third mistake was to assume that folks who have been burnt by your religion would have anything kind to say about it.
It would only be rude if we posted these ideas on a xtian website.
We see your beliefs the way most would see a religion that had a core belief of dancing fairies at the bottom of their backyard garden. If an idea (like your religion) is unfounded, unproven and generally ridiculous, then it deserves the lumps it gets from those who know better than to fall for it's brainwashing scheme.
We do NOT feel your religion deserves one iota of respect, and in fact, it's nothing less than an abomination to the welfare of the human condition.
However, feel free to badmouth us all you want on any xtian site of your choosing.
ATF (who learned a long time ago not to visit websites that I might find not to my liking)
Matt
· 1 year ago
Dude, this is pathetic. 1+1=2 because its mathematics which was made by man. 1+1 can't physically equal 3. Say God did create mathematics, he could make 1+1=3. But maybe he wants it to stay the same way. Think about it, all you atheists back up your theories with are criticisms of extremists or Christians who believe things that aren't true, like your girlfriend's story about africa. If you just went to a normal church and listened, or read the bible and actually took in the FACTS... then you would understand what Christianity is really about.
AtheistToothFairy
· 1 year ago
Matt: Dude, this is pathetic. 1+1=2 because its mathematics which was made by man. 1+1 can't physically equal 3
Matt, you seem confused here. If I have 1 object and add 1 more object, it's not possible to then have a total of 3 objects.
Now I don't care what physical laws one changes, or what 'base' one wishes to count it, but you can't land up with a total of more than you put into any simple equation.
Matt: Say God did create mathematics, he could make 1+1=3.
Sure he can, the same way god can make a rock so big that he can't lift it, right? Oh, maybe you don't like that old analogy.
How about this one then....
If god knows the certain future, can god still change the future when the moment arrives, for us, or even himself? Ponder that one for awhile, okay.
Matt: But maybe he wants it to stay the same way.
Yeah, it's always a "maybe" thing when it comes to the mystery of your god, isn't it Matt?
Matt: Think about it, all you atheists back up your theories with are criticisms of extremists or Christians...
So I take it that you Matt, are not some extremists and can make a case for your personal god to us, yes? I'm so excited at this prospect of hearing from another True Xtian....but a "normal" one this time.
Matt: If you just went to a normal church and listened, or read the bible and actually took in the FACTS... then you would understand what Christianity is really about.
Obviously, you haven't taken the time to see the history of the members of this Ex-Xtian website, have you?
I'm more than sure that many of our frequent members, know the bible far better than you do Matt ! As we often like to say here, a sure way to become an Ex-Xtian is to actually read your fairy tale book of woe.
Oh, what exactly would Matt call a "normal church"?
Also, please do tell us, what is this "Christianity" really about, in your enlightened opinion of course, Matt?
ATF (Who gives Matt about 4 rounds with us, before he sends us all to his hell, but only after "losing face" quickly....as they ALL do)
sconnor
· 1 year ago
matty christian,
..or read the bible and actually took in the FACTS... then you would understand what Christianity is really about.
That's the problem, little matt christian, We have read the bible and we most, assuredly, have come to the conclusion, that your holy book was written by primitive barbarians, who did not rely on FACTS, but instead made up stories -- nothing but a human construct, based entirely, in silly superstition and utterly steeped in ignorance.
Furthermore, how is it that you know what christianity is really about, when there are so many interpretations of god's supposed, word, causing christianity to splinter into 34,000 individual groups, around the world, with their own idiosyncratic interpretation of scripture -- all with vast and differing meanings, to what god's word is suppose to mean, all claiming they have the truth and know what christianity is really about?
I'll tell you what matty, when god's word is one unified, unequivocal message that all christians agree on, then you come back and let us know -- you should probably be back in around -- never.
--S.
angela
· 1 year ago
Yes, you are right. Math was made by Pythagoras just like gravity was made by Newton and relativity was made by Einstein
All Comments
Instead of admitting that no one knows how were all got here and no one knows any much beyond this planet, they would much prefer to believe in a fairytale that was supposedly inspired by an imaginary god that loves us all but does not want any thing to do with humans, therefore god stays hid and never exposes his true identity, nor ever intervenes in our affairs, yet we are to blindly believe in this invisible diety and if not, we will all go and burn forever in this hell, just because we do not believe in things that are invisible. Makes alot of sense doesn't it? Thanks Greydon, enjoyed your testimony. Ben
You see Greydon god created the whole universe in just 6 days, but he made a Big mistake, he also created Evil, so after sitting on his thumbs for 4000 years he decided to inseminate a virgin girl so that she would have a son and that they would later kill him as a sacrifice for all the sins that god allowed to happen in the first place.
So now, god had to find a way to transport his sperm to this virgin girl so he sent an Angel, by the way all Angels are male:-) and it just takes one sperm to impregnate a virgin girl, now this virgin girl was already pregnant, so all god had to do is infect this baby with the holy ghost spirit, a ghost spirit with god-like atributes!
Now we have gone from god's only begotten son to a baby that was already conceived, and infested with the holy spirit, makes alot of sense doesn't it Greydon?
So did god impregnate this virgin girl or was the girl already pregnant and did god just bless her child with the holy spirit or did god transport his sperm all across the universe via an angel, and what form of transportation did they use to transport the sperm?
What vessel did they use to transport god's sperm in, since it was invisible?
Does god masturbate on a regular basis?
These are important questions that christians must be able to answer.
Santa showed the Easter Bunny how to get into the house via the chimney. Santa helped himself to the milk & cookies while Bunny poured the contents of the egg into Mary's red silk purse.
Which is why christians who believe their Babble still celebrate these events to this day!! And yes, god does spank his monkey on a regular basis, thats why u get hailstorms,cos it freezes on the way down. All very sound scientific evidence for all of this!!
But even though 1+1 may not equal 3:
2+2=5
for extremely large values of 2
http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/coder/60f5/
OK, it was off topic, but good for a laugh.
I don't know about other religions, but this one was created for the specific purpose of giving a group of people an identity in the face of oppression, a kind of "we're special and God is going to wreak the revenge upon you that we cannot" type of thing. It depends very much upon the feeling of persecution, which is why so many Christians believe to this day they are being persecuted. Nothing is further from the truth, of course, but they aren't very good at seeing what's right in front of their faces.
I think every black person should know the history of the Harlem Renaissance http://www.atheists.org/Atheism/roots/harlem/ because of the remarkable and largely ignored free thinkers who became reknowned at that time and of Hubert Henry Harrison http://www.atheists.org/Atheism/roots/harrison/ whose paraphrased response in defense of his atheism included the following: "At one of his lectures he was asked why he rejected Christianity; he replied that any rational Black man who accepted Christianity must be crazy. As Harrison pointed out, the Christian Bible is a slave master's book. Slavery is defended in numerous passages in Holy Writ, whereas antislavery is nowhere endorsed in that work. In the Christian pantheon, god is white, and so is Jesus Christ, the Holy Ghost, and all the angels. The only black member is the devil. He pointed out how pathetic it is to go to a Jim Crow church on Sunday and hear Black people singing a hymn, asking god to bleach them whiter than snow, so that they might enter into the Kingdom of Heaven."
I read recently that the feeding of crowds with one loaf of bread was a common con game in biblical times,(as well as other
supposed miracles Jesus performed).
I read recently that the feeding of crowds with one loaf of bread was a common con game in biblical times,(as well as other
supposed miracles Jesus performed).
I can say the same about my people, "Los Latinos." In our case, I blame it on underdevelopment and lack of proper education. That is what causes them to assign phenomena of unknown origin to god.
Another explanation is the low self-esteem caused by 400 years of brutal slavery at the hands of Spain. In that, I believe, we are similar to African-Americans during the slavery period.
Low self-esteem causes people to look up to others and to put them on a pedestal.
My 2-cents
You're a very smart young man, Greydon. Most of the world accepts certain fictions to out of some need to fit and not make waves, but I'm glad to see someone else who doesn't. Consider your hand shaken, and welcome to the hard path. You're not alone in your travels.
My parents tried to raise ma as a Southern Baptist, but I never believed from day one. The only true wisdom I got from church attenance was this story (told by the bad kids at church camp):
A young man decided to go into the ministry, went before his local board to be examined as to his fitness to enter. They discussed some esoteric things with him, and finally asked him what HE thought his qualifications were, he said, "Gentlemen I have the biggest ____ in three counties and an insatiable cravin' for fried chicken." I've found that there's a lot more truth to that than not during my sojourn on this planet.
That's what Christianity teaches. And that's pretty damned rude.
Christianity sucks ass.
- Causing psychological harm to children by telling them tales of Hell;
- Teaching people that they were born evil and cannot redeem themselves with good actions;
- Teaching that human sacrifice is a good thing, particularly if the victim is a person of exemplary character;
- And teaching that the end of the world is a good thing rather than a horrible tragedy?
That's mighty screwed up. A belief system that teaches such things deserves no respect, none at all. It must be actively fought, debunked and neutered until it is incapable of causing harm.
And oh, the irony in this quote: christian belief in simple terms is treating others as you would want to be treated.
Oh, really? In that case, all you have to do is practice your religion in private and leave the rest of us alone.
i can not believe this website it is purely disrespectful and rude. it has no right to insult all that christians believe
--
To "applaud" anonymous,
Your first mistake was finding your way to an EX Christian site.
Your second mistake was sticking around to read what we think of your lame beliefs.
Your third mistake was to assume that folks who have been burnt by your religion would have anything kind to say about it.
It would only be rude if we posted these ideas on a xtian website.
We see your beliefs the way most would see a religion that had a core belief of dancing fairies at the bottom of their backyard garden.
If an idea (like your religion) is unfounded, unproven and generally ridiculous, then it deserves the lumps it gets from those who know better than to fall for it's brainwashing scheme.
We do NOT feel your religion deserves one iota of respect, and in fact, it's nothing less than an abomination to the welfare of the human condition.
However, feel free to badmouth us all you want on any xtian site of your choosing.
ATF (who learned a long time ago not to visit websites that I might find not to my liking)
Matt, you seem confused here.
If I have 1 object and add 1 more object, it's not possible to then have a total of 3 objects.
Now I don't care what physical laws one changes, or what 'base' one wishes to count it, but you can't land up with a total of more than you put into any simple equation.
Matt: Say God did create mathematics, he could make 1+1=3.
Sure he can, the same way god can make a rock so big that he can't lift it, right?
Oh, maybe you don't like that old analogy.
How about this one then....
If god knows the certain future, can god still change the future when the moment arrives, for us, or even himself?
Ponder that one for awhile, okay.
Matt: But maybe he wants it to stay the same way.
Yeah, it's always a "maybe" thing when it comes to the mystery of your god, isn't it Matt?
Matt: Think about it, all you atheists back up your theories with are criticisms of extremists or Christians...
So I take it that you Matt, are not some extremists and can make a case for your personal god to us, yes?
I'm so excited at this prospect of hearing from another True Xtian....but a "normal" one this time.
Matt: If you just went to a normal church and listened, or read the bible and actually took in the FACTS... then you would understand what Christianity is really about.
Obviously, you haven't taken the time to see the history of the members of this Ex-Xtian website, have you?
I'm more than sure that many of our frequent members, know the bible far better than you do Matt !
As we often like to say here, a sure way to become an Ex-Xtian is to actually read your fairy tale book of woe.
Oh, what exactly would Matt call a "normal church"?
Also, please do tell us, what is this "Christianity" really about, in your enlightened opinion of course, Matt?
ATF (Who gives Matt about 4 rounds with us, before he sends us all to his hell, but only after "losing face" quickly....as they ALL do)
..or read the bible and actually took in the FACTS... then you would understand what Christianity is really about.
That's the problem, little matt christian, We have read the bible and we most, assuredly, have come to the conclusion, that your holy book was written by primitive barbarians, who did not rely on FACTS, but instead made up stories -- nothing but a human construct, based entirely, in silly superstition and utterly steeped in ignorance.
Furthermore, how is it that you know what christianity is really about, when there are so many interpretations of god's supposed, word, causing christianity to splinter into 34,000 individual groups, around the world, with their own idiosyncratic interpretation of scripture -- all with vast and differing meanings, to what god's word is suppose to mean, all claiming they have the truth and know what christianity is really about?
I'll tell you what matty, when god's word is one unified, unequivocal message that all christians agree on, then you come back and let us know -- you should probably be back in around -- never.
--S.